Reasons to vote yes!

[pickaname]

Reasons to vote YES:

D2D into workload - Gives you more chance to cut off or claim when its get heavy.

Pay rise - We got a pay rise for the next 3 years. Ok so we lost our d2d money but at least we can cut off d2ds now.

Fair workload - Agreement says there will be tools used to determine this. If not ill be cutting off...

Park and loop - A van is somewhere to hide when its raining etc. Park and loop increases the chance of cutting off as it takes longer.

Saturdays - A commitment to more saturdays off and a commitment from me there will be more cutting off.

Lumps sums - we will definitely be getting the Colleague share scheme mone. it wont be stolen like our pensions.

Unspecified delivery span - Less time spent sorting in the DO listening to managers panic is a good thing.

Shorter working week - Ditto!

The changes will lead to the destruction of Royal Mail - At last! I can start looking for another job. Bring on the transformation!

[numan]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

[headscrewedon]

I'll vote Yes then, that makes 3 so far, what a great deal this must be.

If we vote NO the press will have a major head-scratch and at that point they will have to do some research instead of re-printing CWU/RM media briefs. The truth will come out with a NO vote

Journalists in the biggest-selling newspaper don't do research. They print stories slanted in the way they want their readers to think. The truth will not come out - quite the opposite. They'll portray a NO vote as 'greedy, work-shy posties turn down deal and threaten strikes if they don't get more money'. And their readers' reaction ?

In the papers today, tales of war and of waste
But they'll turn right over to the TV page

DON'T DREAM IT'S OVER

[clashcityrocker]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

Along with a lot of offices I presume, our office has always been told we have to prep our D2D in our own time and there is no time allocated to it in the capacity plan. When someone else said it will protect weaker offices they were spot on. Isn't that what the union should be doing?
Personally I have never "prepped" a D2D item in my life. I put what I think is an appropriate amount in each bag, hold a bundle at the back of the bundle of "real"mail and deliver as I go along. Having a walk with a call rate of approx 95% I go everywhere anyway.

[numan]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

Along with a lot of offices I presume, our office has always been told we have to prep our D2D in our own time and there is no time allocated to it in the capacity plan. When someone else said it will protect weaker offices they were spot on. Isn't that what the union should be doing?
Personally I have never "prepped" a D2D item in my life. I put what I think is an appropriate amount in each bag, hold a bundle at the back of the bundle of "real"mail and deliver as I go along. Having a walk with a call rate of approx 95% I go everywhere anyway.

As you admit your office is one of the weaker offices, can you tell me how D2D into workload, as written in the agreement, is going to protect you? There are to be no limits on D2D items so I'm interested to know how sufficient time can be allowed?

[johnnyp]

I prepped 3 lots today on my walk and it took me 55 minutes(400 calls)

[TrueBlueTerrier]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

Along with a lot of offices I presume, our office has always been told we have to prep our D2D in our own time and there is no time allocated to it in the capacity plan. When someone else said it will protect weaker offices they were spot on. Isn't that what the union should be doing?
Personally I have never "prepped" a D2D item in my life. I put what I think is an appropriate amount in each bag, hold a bundle at the back of the bundle of "real"mail and deliver as I go along. Having a walk with a call rate of approx 95% I go everywhere anyway.

As you admit your office is one of the weaker offices, can you tell me how D2D into workload, as written in the agreement, is going to protect you? There are to be no limits on D2D items so I'm interested to know how sufficient time can be allowed?

At the moment although D2D should be prepped and delivered during working hours its not counted in traffic and its not taken into account in revisions. Under the new deal it will be, and when planning duties it has to take them into account, as it does when designing delivery methods and duties etc. I tend to agree that ignoring the money side of the deal on D2Ds, the operational side of it will be better, but is that worth a cut in what we get paid and an increase in the amount. No,

[johnnyp]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

Along with a lot of offices I presume, our office has always been told we have to prep our D2D in our own time and there is no time allocated to it in the capacity plan. When someone else said it will protect weaker offices they were spot on. Isn't that what the union should be doing?
Personally I have never "prepped" a D2D item in my life. I put what I think is an appropriate amount in each bag, hold a bundle at the back of the bundle of "real"mail and deliver as I go along. Having a walk with a call rate of approx 95% I go everywhere anyway.

As you admit your office is one of the weaker offices, can you tell me how D2D into workload, as written in the agreement, is going to protect you? There are to be no limits on D2D items so I'm interested to know how sufficient time can be allowed?

At the moment although D2D should be prepped and delivered during working hours its not counted in traffic and its not taken into account in revisions. Under the new deal it will be, and when planning duties it has to take them into account, as it does when designing delivery methods and duties etc. I tend to agree that ignoring the money side of the deal on D2Ds, the operational side of it will be better, but is that worth a cut in what we get paid and an increase in the amount. No,

I think it is Teebs if it means protecting full time jobs and maybe even creating some more walks if they can not be done in your duty time.

[numan]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

Along with a lot of offices I presume, our office has always been told we have to prep our D2D in our own time and there is no time allocated to it in the capacity plan. When someone else said it will protect weaker offices they were spot on. Isn't that what the union should be doing?
Personally I have never "prepped" a D2D item in my life. I put what I think is an appropriate amount in each bag, hold a bundle at the back of the bundle of "real"mail and deliver as I go along. Having a walk with a call rate of approx 95% I go everywhere anyway.

As you admit your office is one of the weaker offices, can you tell me how D2D into workload, as written in the agreement, is going to protect you? There are to be no limits on D2D items so I'm interested to know how sufficient time can be allowed?

At the moment although D2D should be prepped and delivered during working hours its not counted in traffic and its not taken into account in revisions. Under the new deal it will be, and when planning duties it has to take them into account, as it does when designing delivery methods and duties etc. I tend to agree that ignoring the money side of the deal on D2Ds, the operational side of it will be better, but is that worth a cut in what we get paid and an increase in the amount. No,

Yes TBT, but how can prep time be accounted for when there are no limits?

[Stormproof]

Vote Yes if you are happy to lose money each week, work until 3 or 4pm, get a lump sum that you were already entitled to. When I signed up for this job it was a 5am start until 1pm, I for one don't want a f*cking 9-5 job if I wanted that I would've stayed sat behind a desk. Yes I could do with the extra money but my working conditions are much more important. I don't want to be walking the streets at 1-2-3pm in the height of summer. I don't want constant grief off the public because their mail is so late in arriving and thinking it's the 'lazy posties' fault because they could'nt get out of bed. The CWU should be ashamed of themselves for negiotiating this agreement

[numan]

As these items are going to be treated as normal workload, I'd also like to know how we're expected to fit them all in the frames?

[POSTMAN]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

You have mentioned this in another thread,prepping 20% is a lot easier than prepping 100% which when we have to do that gives us more job security.

[dvbuk55]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

Along with a lot of offices I presume, our office has always been told we have to prep our D2D in our own time and there is no time allocated to it in the capacity plan. When someone else said it will protect weaker offices they were spot on. Isn't that what the union should be doing?
Personally I have never "prepped" a D2D item in my life. I put what I think is an appropriate amount in each bag, hold a bundle at the back of the bundle of "real"mail and deliver as I go along. Having a walk with a call rate of approx 95% I go everywhere anyway.

As you admit your office is one of the weaker offices, can you tell me how D2D into workload, as written in the agreement, is going to protect you? There are to be no limits on D2D items so I'm interested to know how sufficient time can be allowed?

At the moment although D2D should be prepped and delivered during working hours its not counted in traffic and its not taken into account in revisions. Under the new deal it will be, and when planning duties it has to take them into account, as it does when designing delivery methods and duties etc. I tend to agree that ignoring the money side of the deal on D2Ds, the operational side of it will be better, but is that worth a cut in what we get paid and an increase in the amount. No,

The odd thing is that there are reasonably intelligent people on here who seem not to be able to see the obvious.

1. There is no cap on D2D
2. There is no finite delivery span

You hear people on here blithely saying well I only get 1 lot once a fortnight on my 400 drop delivery of 3.5 hrs. Well when their delivery is 750 drops and a D2D workload is quadrupled and the delivery span is 5.5 hours - I'll be waiting to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth - anyone who believes things are going to stay the same, think again - the first £200 is dependent on the non-sequenced revision, does that sound like nothing is going to change - the other £800 is for the sequenced revision and most of that won't come into effect until next year - together with the hour less work - BUT ONLY WHEN SEQUENCING HAPPENS.

Hands up all those who think that Royal Mail have been defeated in their push for higher and more unrealistic workloads!

[POSTMAN]

dv,where does it say in the agreement that deliverys will be 5.5hrs plus?

In essence, the span will no longer be an objective in itself. Instead office revisions should look to define a set of revision objectives in line with the Delivery Revision Process and then negotiate and agree a duty span/structure that best meets these objectives, taking into account local factors and safety issues in route design.

[johnnyp]

As these items are going to be treated as normal workload, I'd also like to know how we're expected to fit them all in the frames?

Easy,you get a big frame like this

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