UPDATE FROM HQ

[fishtank]

We were at 60% partime this week and 20% of them could not do the job so 40% had to dig them out of the sh!t!.

It would seem many areas are like this so maybe some offices will need to be 150% full-time to make up the "average".

[k979aaa]

We were at 60% partime this week and 20% of them could not do the job so 40% had to dig them out of the sh!t!.

It would seem many areas are like this so maybe some offices will need to be 150% full-time to make up the "average".

Must add though the job is still not done hundreds of packets not done drivers had to cover walks and door too door not done and god only knows if the newby non pemanant staff actully delivered any mail today?.

[guvenor]

so does that mean if your over 25% pt they will be making up new full time duties
dont think that fits in with rm agenda
and i dont think union give a toss either
even if were all made pt they still get weekly subs regardless
as long as jobs (numbers ) are protected and not status
think about it
its the way everything is heading

[Martin Walsh]

From what dingo has just posted, does that mean we're into these 10 day fornite thingys or evern 4 day weeks, for some of us?

9 day fortnights and 4 day week options will be an option and the 9day fortnight option provides one in four saturdays off and the 4 day week one in three saturdays off.

[tpost]

Our office is already at a 50% fulltime 50% part time split and I can't see RM making these staff up to full time. RM are quite happy to pay OT to part timers to get the job done when it suits them.
All agreements RM make with the union start off full of good intentions but at delivery office level we are constantly fighting for our rights and this agreement will be the same.

[trythat]

From what dingo has just posted, does that mean we're into these 10 day fornite thingys or evern 4 day weeks, for some of us?

9 day fortnights and 4 day week options will be an option and the 9day fortnight option provides one in four saturdays off and the 4 day week one in three saturdays off.

I work the one week off every six, will that still be an option?

[shimmyrule]

I'd like to know more about this family friendly bollocks,cos as far as i'm concerned,RM dismiss anything that is outside of its workings

family friendlys a joke, guys who are on it at my work do more nightshift, days off and mail centre runs than everyone else.
Ive no family, so why should i be "discriminated" against,(discriminations a big business these days) ive got a job/hobby-pest control, which ive done for years and years in the afternoons, am i expected just to give it all up to work even later, f**k that.Thats the reason i joined this shithole over 20 year ago- for its free time.

Any word on evr dingo, hope theres plenty.

[fishtank]

dingo wrote
"Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix."


I will ask this time.
Locally or nationally dingo.

Please.....

[k979aaa]

I'd like to know more about this family friendly bollocks,cos as far as i'm concerned,RM dismiss anything that is outside of its workings

family friendlys a joke, guys who are on it at my work do more nightshift, days off and mail centre runs than everyone else.
Ive no family, so why should i be "discriminated" against,(discriminations a big business these days) ive got a job/hobby-pest control, which ive done for years and years in the afternoons, am i expected just to give it all up to work even later, f**k that.Thats the reason i joined this shithole over 20 year ago- for its free time.

Any word on evr dingo, hope theres plenty.

Same here what of EVR!.

[dvbuk55]

Sometimes you have to trust and read between the lines.

Believe me on delivery , we are touching distance away from a deal including the benefits. Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix. It does include less saturdays for all delivery staff , it does include a massive increase in take home money and it does include d2d into workload and it does include agreements on geo route etc.

Plus the shorter working week we are still apart by and appox an hour but your be glad we are not going down the net working week option.

What does concern me is that some of you read an ltb which is quite bland for obvious reasons but states some strong principles and yet some are now saying the unions sold out.

Lets get one thing straight Royal Mail wanted to destroy the union last year. They failed.

Some posters said that Royal Mail just wanted to get past Christmas and then introduce their plan without the unions involvement. It has not happened.

The fact is that the Union has always faced an issue , you might not accept this but its clear that the amount of mech which is now done has decreased IPS. 5 years ago it was less than 60% nationally now it is 82%.

In the future under walk sequencing prep will also be quicker because it will be sequenced. These machines will run 6 days per week. So Saturdays will be effected , not everyone will work till 3 or even 2 but some will . The job is changing , you can either live in denial or recogonise that Royal Mail have purchased the machines for close on a billion pounds and are not going to agree they cannot run all machineable mail on them 6 days per week.

The union is a demorcacy so you will have a chance to say yes or no after you read the agreement. But for god sake some of the rubbish I have seen posted on here about rummours including monthly pay etc is so far of the mark , its no wonder that Roger Poole and ACAS have demanded that nothing is officially said.

Believe me , the deal is coming and it is going to be a complex and detailed deal which should be judged on the detail. At this moment no one should be in either the yes camp or the no camp cause you have not seen the agreement.

Yes by all means I accept your frustrated by the fact that you want more detail but the union has no choice but to observe the mandatory rule of no comms on the details.

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Well despite the closet nature of the meetings and the lack of detail in the Letter to Colleagues you have managed to gives us some details to ponder on. As you say it is a complex deal to be decided on the detail:

However - when we say that there is going to be a 75/25 split is that nationally, by area, by division, by branch, by office, by local agreement

Saturday working will mean 2 and 3 pm finishes but not for everyone - which ones will not have to work til this time and who will decide? By local agreement again?

D2Ds which seemed to be a stumbling block doesn't seem to appear in this Letter or your details - has a decision been reached? We don't need the specific just a general yes or no would do.

Now you may have missed the posts on here, where despite the interim agreement offices are still be being subject to change - now to those members it will indeed seem that this was just a ploy to get through Christmas.

Now for the rewards, will that be an across the board one off payment, a weekly amount based on the hourly rate, annual bonus based on group, office targets? Savings share scheme, which we have experienced in the past of course.

This negotiation was a major undertaking and it was unrealistic to expect an early resolution so we have to ask why the silly deadlines? If the union decide to set such unrealistic deadlines they must accept the criticism when those deadlines are consistently missed and rather lame excuses tendered. Honesty is always the best policy.

[Martin Walsh]

From what dingo has just posted, does that mean we're into these 10 day fornite thingys or evern 4 day weeks, for some of us?

9 day fortnights and 4 day week options will be an option and the 9day fortnight option provides one in four saturdays off and the 4 day week one in three saturdays off.

I work the one week off every six, will that still be an option?

Yes any option which delivers less Saturdays at work will be possible.

[dvbuk55]

From what dingo has just posted, does that mean we're into these 10 day fornite thingys or evern 4 day weeks, for some of us?

9 day fortnights and 4 day week options will be an option and the 9day fortnight option provides one in four saturdays off and the 4 day week one in three saturdays off.

Tell me honestly now Dingo is that option going to be available to ALL offices or only the ones that currently have that agreement - and is this going to be supported by the CWU everywhere or is it just by LOCAL AGREEMENT?

[dvbuk55]

dingo wrote
"Yes it does include 75 /25 full time /part time mix."


I will ask this time.
Locally or nationally dingo.

Please.....

Stop begging You already know the answer - our office would have to create 20 full time from part time duties; an increase of hours from 30 hours to 40 hours would mean an increase of 200 hours per week minimum. That is not to say it couldn't be done but it would mean more job losses. We all know to whom the 75/25 refers to and I'll bet that in itself would have been a bitter pill.

[Stormproof]

Are FT reserves going to get a regular Saturday off or are we left out yet again?

[k979aaa]

Lets put it this way royalmail will never be satisfied what ever targets it sets it is like an uncontrollable machine in search of perfection with ever changing goal posts no morals no scruples and in time no customers!.