Next pay rise?but if as you said you handed in your notice to quit the union i hope you give your next pay rise to charity
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The CWU have to pull the plug on the Labour Party
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Well that was interesting,just had a chat with a old friend who now works for another union,I've known this man for 20 years,been on picket lines with him etc etc and I have no reason to doubt the veracity of what he was saying to me,looks like our glorious leader Billy Hayes has been selected for a Labour seat in Liverpool.
Now we know why he looked disinterested on the TV interviews last week,tut tut Billy,you're a very naughty boy.
Now we know why he looked disinterested on the TV interviews last week,tut tut Billy,you're a very naughty boy.
The more you know, the worse it gets.
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Yahoorsur wrote:Well that was interesting,just had a chat with a old friend who now works for another union,I've known this man for 20 years,been on picket lines with him etc etc and I have no reason to doubt the veracity of what he was saying to me,looks like our glorious leader Billy Hayes has been selected for a Labour seat in Liverpool.
Now we know why he looked disinterested on the TV interviews last week,tut tut Billy,you're a very naughty boy.
If that man gets elected to a labour seat, God help us all. I remember once he came through to our office, many years ago-----what an idiot!!!!!-
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It's always been on the cards of course - but poor chap has jumped on the horse at the wrong time - or does he think he is going to stay in post whilst he campaigns for election - and when he doesn't get in come back to the union. I ask you, if he has reneged on his duties as the union leader to cosy up to his labour buddies, what chance have his constituents when it comes to controversial decisions? I thought he looked more bemused than disinterested when he was on tv.stokes11eg wrote:Yahoorsur wrote:Well that was interesting,just had a chat with a old friend who now works for another union,I've known this man for 20 years,been on picket lines with him etc etc and I have no reason to doubt the veracity of what he was saying to me,looks like our glorious leader Billy Hayes has been selected for a Labour seat in Liverpool.
Now we know why he looked disinterested on the TV interviews last week,tut tut Billy,you're a very naughty boy.
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Any ideas of what we are to do when we have disaffiliated from New Labour? I have my own but I want to see what other ideas are out there! 
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Two ideas to consider pcb
Non financial relationship with the green party.
Finacialy Support individuals rather than political parties.
Non financial relationship with the green party.
Finacialy Support individuals rather than political parties.
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Now there's an idea - why don't we have a non-financial arrangement with the Labour Party - I'm sure the influence exerted WITH financial support would be just as succesful WITHOUT financial support wouldn't you think?Big Daz wrote:Two ideas to consider pcb
Non financial relationship with the green party.
Finacialy Support individuals rather than political parties.
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Hearsay of course, but if it proves true,lots of political funding to his closest rival would be my choice. Better the enemy you know than the turncoat within 
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Re: The CWU have to pull the plug on the Labour Party
Campaign for a New Workers' Party
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Introduction by Councillor Dave Nellist
Dave Nellist was a Labour MP from 1983 - 1992, when he was expelled by Labour for being a socialist and for supporting the civil disobedience of the anti-Poll Tax struggle.
Since 1998, he has represented people in Coventry as one of the city councillors elected as members of the Socialist Party
At the end of 2005 some 3,000 investors and bankers in the City of London each received at least £1 million in annual bonuses. Some were said to be expecting up to £10 million.
Taken together this tiny percentage of British society therefore received well over £3 billion; some estimates put the figure as high as £6 billion.
Meanwhile, over Christmas, workers at Rentokil and the Co-op followed hundreds of thousands of others that year when they were told that society could apparently no longer afford for them to have a decent pension. They became the latest to face a reduction in security in their retirement as their company bosses announced the closure of their 'final salary scheme'.
What links those two stories was that not one of the major parties linked the two stories!
Where was a major party, speaking on behalf of the majority of ordinary working people and their families, saying that corporate greed and corporate disdain were both unacceptable? Where was the expression of rage at the continuing widening gap between the rich and the rest in Britain under a Labour government? Where was the demand for rational planning of society's resources to ensure a decent life for all?
As the RMT union has said, there is certainly a crisis in working-class representation.
For New Labour, the Tories and the Liberal Democrats, the City of London is a success, the retrenchment in pensions a regrettable necessity. For them, the market reigns supreme. That agreement has become the definition of the ‘centre ground’ in British politics. Whilst perhaps the obscenity of multi-million pound bonuses at a time when greater numbers are pushed to the margins of society is regretted by some individuals in the three main parties, all three parties are themselves now wedded to the interests of big business in a more blatant way than for many years.
That is why I welcome Hannah Sell's new pamphlet which sets out the argument for the building of a new party to change that situation, a new mass party capable of representing the millions against the millionaires. Crucially, the pamphlet does not shirk the key question of whether that job is really necessary, of whether Labour can be reclaimed.
I believe thousands have already come to a conclusion on that matter, but remain to be organised to do anything about it. That is the purpose of the Campaign for a New Workers’ Party.
New Labour has certainly lost a lot of support. Since 1997, one third of New Labour's voters, some four million people, have stopped voting for the party. Ironically for those who claim that Tony Blair is still popular, Labour under his leadership at the 2005 election got two million less votes than under the ‘unpopular’ Neil Kinnock in 1992.
New Labour has taken the country to war, most recently in Iraq; has widened and deepened privatisation and increased the role of business, and therefore the scope for profit, from health, education, welfare and other services. And, as Labour's agenda has become more right-wing, the party internally has become more sclerotic. Some 200,000 of Labour's members, half the 1997 total, have left the party in disillusionment. At party conferences, attendances have slumped as policy making becomes more of a top-down process.
Over the last 20 years, a fundamental change has been brought about in the Labour Party; and brought about at an accelerating pace since Tony Blair became leader in 1995. Before the 1997 general election there were some who believed that Blair was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Once he was elected, we were told, all the things he had had to say to ‘neutralise’ or ‘con’ the Tory press would evaporate as 'old' Labour reasserted itself. Now, in almost a parody of repetition, the same is being said of Gordon Brown, at least by those who cling to the hope that Labour can be reclaimed on his watch.
Tony Blair always had more in common with Margaret Thatcher than with Labour. As Peter Mandelson pointed out, with offhand brutal clarity, in the year before Blair became Prime Minister, "New Labour's strategy is to move forward from where Margaret Thatcher left off". In fact, the only difference seems to be that what Thatcher did with a snarl, Blair does with a smile. But, crucially, on no central issue, from the war and occupation of Iraq to privatisation and PFI, has Gordon Brown opposed Tony Blair.
None of this is news to most people under 30; they've only seen the New Labour of today. But for older workers who remember an earlier age, and who still need to make up their minds, they need a realistic appraisal of the balance of forces. Can Labour be reclaimed, or not? That needs seriously discussing in meetings of trade unionists, community activists, socialists, anti-war, anti-capitalist and environmental activists.
Those who believe it can have a duty to seriously set out how, and over what timescale, they believe they can motivate the tens of thousands of people to join Labour in order to change it. As Hannah Sell explains Labour left-wingers recognised that the best, recent opportunity for their strategy was when two million marched through London in February 2003 at the height of the anti-war movement. As Shakespeare wrote for Brutus: "There is a tide in the affairs of men, which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. We must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures." However, Labour left-wingers found it impossible to recruit sizeable numbers of people to the party that was responsible for the war.
Without a major injection of radical workers into the Labour Party, of at least 50 -100 per constituency, or tens of thousands nationally, I see no prospect of Labour being reclaimed. If, as I believe, that is not on the agenda, then the necessary political and organisational conclusions need to be drawn. This pamphlet is a contribution to that process, to that discussion. It also raises in outline the open, democratic and welcoming format any new party for working people must have.
A generation ago, at a simplistic level, it was clear there was a difference between Labour and Tory. There was a ‘them and us‘. In the main Labour was seen to be on the side of workers and their families, and it was a party in which socialists were able to work. No such party exists today for working people.
We need to build a new mass workers’ party, in particular for today’s teenagers who could be the first generation for 60 years not to be able to expect a better life than their parents had. Particularly those who face the horrendous debts of a massive mortgage to buy a home, saving the equivalent of another mortgage in a private (second) pension, and a debt almost the size of a mortgage to pay tuition fees and student loans.
For a new party to carve out a distinct identity amongst working people it would help to have a clear theme. And in opposition to Blair's acceleration of ‘reforms’, in reality pro-business privatisations of education and health and welfare, who today stands up for the public funding of public services under public control? Public ownership and rational, democratic planning should be the hallmark of the new party.
Don't just leave the campaign for a new party as a ‘good idea’. Sign our declaration, organise a meeting amongst workmates or friends, and help build the movement for a new workers’ party.
Cllr Dave Nellist
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Introduction by Councillor Dave Nellist
Dave Nellist was a Labour MP from 1983 - 1992, when he was expelled by Labour for being a socialist and for supporting the civil disobedience of the anti-Poll Tax struggle.
Since 1998, he has represented people in Coventry as one of the city councillors elected as members of the Socialist Party
At the end of 2005 some 3,000 investors and bankers in the City of London each received at least £1 million in annual bonuses. Some were said to be expecting up to £10 million.
Taken together this tiny percentage of British society therefore received well over £3 billion; some estimates put the figure as high as £6 billion.
Meanwhile, over Christmas, workers at Rentokil and the Co-op followed hundreds of thousands of others that year when they were told that society could apparently no longer afford for them to have a decent pension. They became the latest to face a reduction in security in their retirement as their company bosses announced the closure of their 'final salary scheme'.
What links those two stories was that not one of the major parties linked the two stories!
Where was a major party, speaking on behalf of the majority of ordinary working people and their families, saying that corporate greed and corporate disdain were both unacceptable? Where was the expression of rage at the continuing widening gap between the rich and the rest in Britain under a Labour government? Where was the demand for rational planning of society's resources to ensure a decent life for all?
As the RMT union has said, there is certainly a crisis in working-class representation.
For New Labour, the Tories and the Liberal Democrats, the City of London is a success, the retrenchment in pensions a regrettable necessity. For them, the market reigns supreme. That agreement has become the definition of the ‘centre ground’ in British politics. Whilst perhaps the obscenity of multi-million pound bonuses at a time when greater numbers are pushed to the margins of society is regretted by some individuals in the three main parties, all three parties are themselves now wedded to the interests of big business in a more blatant way than for many years.
That is why I welcome Hannah Sell's new pamphlet which sets out the argument for the building of a new party to change that situation, a new mass party capable of representing the millions against the millionaires. Crucially, the pamphlet does not shirk the key question of whether that job is really necessary, of whether Labour can be reclaimed.
I believe thousands have already come to a conclusion on that matter, but remain to be organised to do anything about it. That is the purpose of the Campaign for a New Workers’ Party.
New Labour has certainly lost a lot of support. Since 1997, one third of New Labour's voters, some four million people, have stopped voting for the party. Ironically for those who claim that Tony Blair is still popular, Labour under his leadership at the 2005 election got two million less votes than under the ‘unpopular’ Neil Kinnock in 1992.
New Labour has taken the country to war, most recently in Iraq; has widened and deepened privatisation and increased the role of business, and therefore the scope for profit, from health, education, welfare and other services. And, as Labour's agenda has become more right-wing, the party internally has become more sclerotic. Some 200,000 of Labour's members, half the 1997 total, have left the party in disillusionment. At party conferences, attendances have slumped as policy making becomes more of a top-down process.
Over the last 20 years, a fundamental change has been brought about in the Labour Party; and brought about at an accelerating pace since Tony Blair became leader in 1995. Before the 1997 general election there were some who believed that Blair was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Once he was elected, we were told, all the things he had had to say to ‘neutralise’ or ‘con’ the Tory press would evaporate as 'old' Labour reasserted itself. Now, in almost a parody of repetition, the same is being said of Gordon Brown, at least by those who cling to the hope that Labour can be reclaimed on his watch.
Tony Blair always had more in common with Margaret Thatcher than with Labour. As Peter Mandelson pointed out, with offhand brutal clarity, in the year before Blair became Prime Minister, "New Labour's strategy is to move forward from where Margaret Thatcher left off". In fact, the only difference seems to be that what Thatcher did with a snarl, Blair does with a smile. But, crucially, on no central issue, from the war and occupation of Iraq to privatisation and PFI, has Gordon Brown opposed Tony Blair.
None of this is news to most people under 30; they've only seen the New Labour of today. But for older workers who remember an earlier age, and who still need to make up their minds, they need a realistic appraisal of the balance of forces. Can Labour be reclaimed, or not? That needs seriously discussing in meetings of trade unionists, community activists, socialists, anti-war, anti-capitalist and environmental activists.
Those who believe it can have a duty to seriously set out how, and over what timescale, they believe they can motivate the tens of thousands of people to join Labour in order to change it. As Hannah Sell explains Labour left-wingers recognised that the best, recent opportunity for their strategy was when two million marched through London in February 2003 at the height of the anti-war movement. As Shakespeare wrote for Brutus: "There is a tide in the affairs of men, which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. We must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures." However, Labour left-wingers found it impossible to recruit sizeable numbers of people to the party that was responsible for the war.
Without a major injection of radical workers into the Labour Party, of at least 50 -100 per constituency, or tens of thousands nationally, I see no prospect of Labour being reclaimed. If, as I believe, that is not on the agenda, then the necessary political and organisational conclusions need to be drawn. This pamphlet is a contribution to that process, to that discussion. It also raises in outline the open, democratic and welcoming format any new party for working people must have.
A generation ago, at a simplistic level, it was clear there was a difference between Labour and Tory. There was a ‘them and us‘. In the main Labour was seen to be on the side of workers and their families, and it was a party in which socialists were able to work. No such party exists today for working people.
We need to build a new mass workers’ party, in particular for today’s teenagers who could be the first generation for 60 years not to be able to expect a better life than their parents had. Particularly those who face the horrendous debts of a massive mortgage to buy a home, saving the equivalent of another mortgage in a private (second) pension, and a debt almost the size of a mortgage to pay tuition fees and student loans.
For a new party to carve out a distinct identity amongst working people it would help to have a clear theme. And in opposition to Blair's acceleration of ‘reforms’, in reality pro-business privatisations of education and health and welfare, who today stands up for the public funding of public services under public control? Public ownership and rational, democratic planning should be the hallmark of the new party.
Don't just leave the campaign for a new party as a ‘good idea’. Sign our declaration, organise a meeting amongst workmates or friends, and help build the movement for a new workers’ party.
Cllr Dave Nellist
"why should it just be the bankers, politicians and the idle rich who get all the best things ? we demand a standard of living for our members that enables them to share in the fine wines and times that the likes of Cameron and his Eton buddies take for granted " - the late great Bob Crow RIP.
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Wasn't Nellist kicked out for being one of the awkward squad. Thought new labour got pissed with him being an MP and refusing to accept any more than the average wage of his electors?
Something about, "how could he represent these peoples interests if he got paid 90X their salary" , Makes sense to me ,£500 rise in gas bills ain't gonna worry me if I'm on £750K
Something about, "how could he represent these peoples interests if he got paid 90X their salary" , Makes sense to me ,£500 rise in gas bills ain't gonna worry me if I'm on £750K
Bye
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We are proles, our day will come :-)
Not for a few years, not under this government, not under this management, but we are unassumably right. No more need be said - Merry Xmas one and all, except management lackie parasites.
Wank about your sorting tomorrow you inhumans.. ;-)
Not for a few years, not under this government, not under this management, but we are unassumably right. No more need be said - Merry Xmas one and all, except management lackie parasites.
Wank about your sorting tomorrow you inhumans.. ;-)
Spanish practices - Que?
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I'm inclined to believe it - the old story - knobble this for us and we'll look after you as some are not exactly top of the headhunters lists - Timing is a bit odd thoughBELIAL wrote:Hearsay of course, but if it proves true,lots of political funding to his closest rival would be my choice. Better the enemy you know than the turncoat within
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Must be one hell of a seat i don't think he will fit on the back bench's maybe johno alan johnson will fit up his ass just as he has fitted all of us up!.norbert wrote:I'm inclined to believe it - the old story - knobble this for us and we'll look after you as some are not exactly top of the headhunters lists - Timing is a bit odd thoughBELIAL wrote:Hearsay of course, but if it proves true,lots of political funding to his closest rival would be my choice. Better the enemy you know than the turncoat within
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Proves what I stated in a previous post ... we are constantly let down by our top officials, who start out fighting on our behalf but end up fighting for their own political ambitionsYahoorsur wrote:... looks like our glorious leader Billy Hayes has been selected for a Labour seat in Liverpool.
Now we know why he looked disinterested on the TV interviews last week,tut tut Billy,you're a very naughty boy.
Hayes isn't gonna fight to stop the part-privatisation of Royal Mail, that would be his political career flushed down the toilet straight away.