Hell offices now.

[Perseus]

The 2 things that 'killed' the ODM was people having to learn whole new duties and the complaints of fatigue.
DM26 apparently solved these issues. Now you have to learn 2/3 of another duty and fatigue has been removed by walking huge distances on the 'light' loops only doing 1C and packets. (how????)
Can someone tell me how the fatigue element has been solved?
If I'm doing 2-3 days mail on a single duty, i'm calling at 70% of houses. (ODM)
If I'm doing 4-5 bags of heavy and 4-5 bags of light on the same duty then 1/3 of another duty on heavy/light (DM26) I will absolutely be doing more work/using more energy versus ODM.

Because this is wrong.

You are doing 4 bags of heavy mail and 4 bags of 1st class and tracked. You both take 3 Bags of mail from your own duty and 3 bags of 1st and tracked. You take 1 bag each of heavy mail of the third of another duty and both 1 bag of 1st and tracked.

All together= 4 bags of heavy mail. 4 Loops of 1st and tracked. 8 Bags/loops.

Not 4-5 bags of heavy and 4-5 bags of light which if taking 5 as the number equals 10 bags. Then you are adding the 1/3 of a duty on top of this as well which results in 12 bags.
This is wrong and not factual. You are taking 4 bags of heavy and 4 bags of light all together. So 8 loops in total.
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How can you say it is wrong without seeing the state of some offices and the duties within them.

4 bags of heavy and 4 bags of light per person - is that in an office that has been untouched by revisions or something? Sounds like a dream.

Most of our duties at the moment take 5hours plus to complete, that's 1 person. Shared van with 2 people will have 10 loops each, maybe 9 for the driver to allow for cutting away for 1pm specials etc. 30 minutes per loop. Some duties can be out for 6 hours if they want the overtime.
Going from 6 current loops that was mentioned in the DM26 guide to 4 light and 4 heavy (1/3 off another duty) sounds like a piece of cake, sorry.
Pre DM26, how long are the duties in yours taking to deliver the duties out of interest?

[Clappedoutpostie]

8 bags We have jobs in our office that have 10-12 loops on, not small loops either. Some have 1200/1300 delivery points. They have no chance.

[Perseus]

8 bags We have jobs in our office that have 10-12 loops on, not small loops either. Some have 1200/1300 delivery points. They have no chance.

It's bonkers isn't it? half of those bags are 'light' ones too.

4 bags with all items plus 2 days mail, and 4 bags with only 1C and tracked in it sounds amazing.

[reddevils]

4 bags of heavy and 4 bags of light is meant to be the new standard for every office.
Where the confusion is coming in is because your offices haven't had the proper revisions to make it work.
Each duty in a office should ideally have 6 loops for the system to work. They will be very long loops but there will be 6 of them.

The problem is that some offices are still doing their big parcels on duties instead of them being DPRs, some haven't had revisions in years so we are talking at cross purposes. Under Royal Mails ODM you would not just have been taking 6 loops out of the 10 on your frame.

What is going to happen under DM26 and what would have happened in ODM is that a system will implemented by management
which probably won't fufill the criteria that has been proposed. So it will basically be a fudged, ad hoc, chaotic mess of a system
because the duties and loops don't correlate with how the work is meant to be performed.

This is because your offices haven't had the prerequisite revisions. So you are starting on the wrong foot before it even begins.

[reddevils]

The delivery points is still upwards of 1000, its just that you have much bigger loops.

[Perseus]

4 bags of heavy and 4 bags of light is meant to be the new standard for every office.
Where the confusion is coming in is because your offices haven't had the proper revisions to make it work.
Each duty in a office should ideally have 6 loops for the system to work. They will be very long loops but there will be 6 of them.

The problem is that some offices are still doing their big parcels on duties instead of them being DPRs, some haven't had revisions in years so we are talking at cross purposes. Under Royal Mails ODM you would not just have been taking 6 loops out of the 10 on your frame.

What is going to happen under DM26 and what would have happened in ODM is that a system will implemented by management
which probably won't fufill the criteria that has been proposed. So it will basically be a fudged, ad hoc, chaotic mess of a system
because the duties and loops don't correlate with how the work is meant to be performed.

This is because your offices haven't had the prerequisite revisions. So you are starting on the wrong foot before it even begins.

For 4 and 4 to be the new standard there would have to be some major reversing in many offices but in their wisdom, RM and CWU agreed that there would be no revision before DM26. There is no confusion, they have point blank refused to fix many offices going into DM26 to 'right size' the duties, and instead people are being gaslit on the Robin app about how it is going well in offices up and down the country. They passed the 'guide to DM26' round our office and we couldn't believe what we were reading when it mentioned duties with 6 bags of mail. That was about 10 years ago in ours, probably longer.

You're right about DPR duties, some offices have them and some don't. There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why. We have shared van duties with 1300 calls on them, probably more and they will be expected to take 2/3 of another similar sized duty. Plus all large. Even splitting that down into half and half heavy and light, they have no chance.

[billy2004]

I pay cwu to sort things out, let the top 50 cwu blokes have a go at dm26, Lets see Ward Walsh earn their 140k a year, why should I sort their mess out

Would love to c this.