Putting the record straight

[Perseus]

Not going to lie , I don’t really care about the changes , I just want to know my start and finish times and what my duty structure will be before I vote on anything.

You have already said your voting NO

Plenty of people will vote yes if they think they can negotiate their way pretty much unscathed through these changes.

[Mr Rush]

Keep it simple, stupid. Look at Single Daily Delivery: scrap the second delivery (debatable) so everything goes out daily in one go and you work five days with a rotating day off. Sublime.

Although the ODM was complicated, I actually understood what the plan was. I genuinely can't wrap my head around Ahmed, Bob, and Evie's adventures in the fifth dimension.

[ted_e_bear]

Keep it simple, stupid. Look at Single Daily Delivery: scrap the second delivery (debatable) so everything goes out daily in one go and you work five days with a rotating day off. Sublime.

Although the ODM was complicated, I actually understood what the plan was. I genuinely can't wrap my head around Ahmed, Bob, and Evie's adventures in the fifth dimension.

I know, this is absolutely ridiculous, for a start it relies on splitting equal duties into six equal sections, it's obviously doomed before it's even started.

[postmanplod2026]

its a NO from me we have no trust in this cwu or royal mail management since cwu surrendered our terms and conditions in order so save the area reps jobs thats what setting the record straight is, having us in the middle of winter freezing our asses striking to save ur asses, why in the right mind would people trust yous to vote yes what have u done for us lately. Its going be horredous, already asking us to do 1st class mail and parcels from 2 frames and ur well over hours over, and they refuse to fully staff the office, if theres frames fully staffed wouldnt suprise me if they fail one , frames going get larger and heavier more d2ds than ever to prep can't be done and how they propose it is done just make the part timers the saviour, utter nonsense its not going work and be the same s**t show as the now failing left right and centre. it also shows u how flawed and uneven its going be as usual like every other revision the fact rurals are being mentioned to help out if they can means the rurals have it easier than others, usual uneven workloads and u know what, the guy on the rural is just going take his time, im alright jack thanks

[Mickeybrowneyes]

If its being left to each individual office, DOM, coach, planner and rep to implement the model rather than it being universal across the board, what exactly are we voting on NOW?

We have no idea what is going to be agreed for our individual office including how many walks are going back in, how long the duty spans will be, how many Saturdays we are going to get, how many PT will be made FT, how many will be surplus, what the non drivers are doing on Saturdays etc etc

We are essentially voting to agree with whatever comes without knowing what that is yet.

The whole thing stinks.

The findings from the ODM proved that a rigid model doesn't work as a national rollout.
Every office has different factors to consider like whether they are HCT dominated or complete CDV offices.
Whether they have rural elements or are predominantly urban.
Some offices will have capacity issues in vans where they have concierge drop offs that take up allot of space but take minimal time to deliver.
Some walks take on allot of the Amazon work they can't deliver while others take very little.
It would be irresponsible to give a vote on the exact breakdown of the changes that will be implemented because for it to be executed correctly, that work still needs to be done in offices with the local knowledge of the rep and staff paramount to its success.
Your voting on baseline method that can be adapted and assurances from the company that workloads will be achievable, resourcing will be robust and CWU involvement will be key to its success.
When the data is analysed and the planning is underway then you will know more how many duties will be added.
The agreement does give the reps more freedom to design it to a customised model that creates achievable workloads and involves staff in the planning.
We always moan about Royal Mail just 'doing what they want' these days, this agreement is far from that.
Not saying it's perfect and for it to work effectively maybe 3,500 as a number of duties added may have to be revised at some point but it's a good start that involves the CWU involvement at every step.

[norris9]

When giving 50% parcels/1st class to the singleton driver..... how is this decided? - it needs to be efficient....

Do we have to count out the parcels every time? is it done by eye?

Some houses have multiple parcels, how do we make sure we give all parcels for 1 house to either the driver or the van share partnership without wasting time searching through the parcels.

In an ideal world the singleton driver should take the 1st class mail for any houses they are going to with parcels, but if working this all out takes time and 2/3 posties are standing at a frame trying to work this all out - time will be wasted either way.

[claretandblue]

When giving 50% parcels/1st class to the singleton driver..... how is this decided? - it needs to be efficient....

Do we have to count out the parcels every time? is it done by eye?

Some houses have multiple parcels, how do we make sure we give all parcels for 1 house to either the driver or the van share partnership without wasting time searching through the parcels.

In an ideal world the singleton driver should take the 1st class mail for any houses they are going to with parcels, but if working this all out takes time and 2/3 posties are standing at a frame trying to work this all out - time will be wasted either way.

The 50% isn't exact, they mean half the loops.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

When giving 50% parcels/1st class to the singleton driver..... how is this decided? - it needs to be efficient....

Do we have to count out the parcels every time? is it done by eye?

Some houses have multiple parcels, how do we make sure we give all parcels for 1 house to either the driver or the van share partnership without wasting time searching through the parcels.

In an ideal world the singleton driver should take the 1st class mail for any houses they are going to with parcels, but if working this all out takes time and 2/3 posties are standing at a frame trying to work this all out - time will be wasted either way.

The singleton will be on his own walk taking 50% of all items and 50% first class and tracked/parcels.
The work will come into the offices like that from the mail centre, it won't have to be divvied up amongst the staff ad-hoc.
The areas of that walk that will be heavy or light will alternate each day to hit the USO targets.
He then takes an element of work of the fourth 'absorbed' walk with the time saved due to reductions in call rate.
That can be decided locally but I would presume it would be a fixed workload otherwise chaos will ensure and arguments will be rife.

[Perseus]

When giving 50% parcels/1st class to the singleton driver..... how is this decided? - it needs to be efficient....

Do we have to count out the parcels every time? is it done by eye?

Some houses have multiple parcels, how do we make sure we give all parcels for 1 house to either the driver or the van share partnership without wasting time searching through the parcels.

In an ideal world the singleton driver should take the 1st class mail for any houses they are going to with parcels, but if working this all out takes time and 2/3 posties are standing at a frame trying to work this all out - time will be wasted either way.

The 3 people doing the 4 runs need to get on with each other, they need to be willing to split workloads evenly or have a manager do it without fear or favour. It's going to be quite the acid test let's say if people with a clashing work ethic get put together. Not to mention, there will be staff 20-30 years or more in the job who have NEVER had to work as a 'team' before.

[Valentina@1]

When giving 50% parcels/1st class to the singleton driver..... how is this decided? - it needs to be efficient....

Do we have to count out the parcels every time? is it done by eye?

Some houses have multiple parcels, how do we make sure we give all parcels for 1 house to either the driver or the van share partnership without wasting time searching through the parcels.

In an ideal world the singleton driver should take the 1st class mail for any houses they are going to with parcels, but if working this all out takes time and 2/3 posties are standing at a frame trying to work this all out - time will be wasted either way.

The 3 people doing the 4 runs need to get on with each other, they need to be willing to split workloads evenly or have a manager do it without fear or favour. It's going to be quite the acid test let's say if people with a clashing work ethic get put together. Not to mention, there will be staff 20-30 years or more in the job who have NEVER had to work as a 'team' before.

Workforce arguing,turning against each other,this delivery model looks designed to almost push legacy contracts to breaking point,when you’ve done 20-40 years of individual walks,this won’t be easy transition.

Sad times 🥲

[SpacePhoenix]

When giving 50% parcels/1st class to the singleton driver..... how is this decided? - it needs to be efficient....

Do we have to count out the parcels every time? is it done by eye?

Some houses have multiple parcels, how do we make sure we give all parcels for 1 house to either the driver or the van share partnership without wasting time searching through the parcels.

In an ideal world the singleton driver should take the 1st class mail for any houses they are going to with parcels, but if working this all out takes time and 2/3 posties are standing at a frame trying to work this all out - time will be wasted either way.

The singleton will be on his own walk taking 50% of all items and 50% first class and tracked/parcels.
The work will come into the offices like that from the mail centre, it won't have to be divvied up amongst the staff ad-hoc.
The areas of that walk that will be heavy or light will alternate each day to hit the USO targets.
He then takes an element of work of the fourth 'absorbed' walk with the time saved due to reductions in call rate.
That can be decided locally but I would presume it would be a fixed workload otherwise chaos will ensure and arguments will be rife.

1C and 2C manual letters and flats will be in separate trays but sent together on the same walk. They won't be sorted to walk level, only to office level.

The mech will have 1C and 2C walk sequenced/sorted together. The DTS system will release what's due for delivery that day. I'm assuming that there'll be a list kept either in the machine software or in the server that runs the DTS algorithm which days are the heavy and light for each walk. Once any 2C or DSA item his the time limit for its service then it'll get released along with any other 2C for them DPs. Any 2C that would hit the time limit on a Friday night will get released a day early on the Thursday night.

AFAIK packets will be sent out to the DOs in mixed sleeves (1C and 2C togteher) like they are now.

[Flashman_]

I have to laugh, this is inherently a simple job, everything done since privatisation has been a clusterfuck. These latest plans now look like Trump had "planned" them the way he planned his war.
As for any figures the company offers Martin and co, to influence them, well we only have Kretinsky`s word on that as they are not public any longer.
I have voted against every half ass proposal that the Union and company has come up with since privatisation, so I will continue to vote that way on this. However this time that’s not because it would effect my job (I can leave any time I want now). Its because as a customer I want a reliable cheap service to return, we could have already been on that route, if we had rejected the last deal, and called their bluff.