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Extract from the CWU Reps DRP brief - Heavy and Light

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Re: Extract from the CWU Reps DRP brief - Heavy and Light

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Mick100 wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 09:09
Bring in what they want call it what they want I’ve been failing my duty for the past 3 years daily, start on time finish on time take my breaks, I can’t walk any quicker I’d allow any manager to follow me around all day to see how I can doing anymore because guess what I can’t
And does your holiday or day off cover (if there is any?) Do they manage any more than you do ?
Only Royal Mail and the Onions Reps could make a simple jobs so darn complicated!!!!!!!!
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postslippete wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 10:58
The basic flaw in any of these models is that it assumes that duties are correctly sized to workload data and that absorption is possible without any systemic failure. It won't work in any office efficiently if too many duties are taken out, on top of a load of new builds and current parcel volumes.

The easy savings were made years ago in making duties bigger and it's the law of diminishing returns when you try to run a business with fewer full-time experienced staff whilst still expecting more productivity when overtime has been reduced. All you get are exponential QoS failures as staff burnout, sickness increases and attrition increases (particularly on new entrants).

At which point any extra "cost cutting" becomes counterproductive and simply destroys operational stability. None of RM's future projected savings will ever materialise in reality when what they have initially saved on oversized duties and increased workloads, they lose it back in inefficiency and instability.
Very good point ,well made. Are anybody in CWU listening to the Joe Postie?
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postslippete wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 10:58
The basic flaw in any of these models is that it assumes that duties are correctly sized to workload data and that absorption is possible without any systemic failure. It won't work in any office efficiently if too many duties are taken out, on top of a load of new builds and current parcel volumes.

The easy savings were made years ago in making duties bigger and it's the law of diminishing returns when you try to run a business with fewer full-time experienced staff whilst still expecting more productivity when overtime has been reduced. All you get are exponential QoS failures as staff burnout, sickness increases and attrition increases (particularly on new entrants).

At which point any extra "cost cutting" becomes counterproductive and simply destroys operational stability. None of RM's future projected savings will ever materialise in reality when what they have initially saved on oversized duties and increased workloads, they lose it back in inefficiency and instability.
The workload data is flawed everywhere. No model will work. What is important is to identify the worst, most destructive model. Then by executive action, they will exact the most devastating collapse of the USO, forcing the government to act. Letters are taken away, postmen are let go in their thousands, contracts are torn up, parcel routes are franchised to gig economy fruit pickers, vans are sold off, no pay, no sick pay, no pension, no uniform and all that beautiful estate is freed up for sale. Royal Mail will be morphed into GLS. Daniel makes a fortune.
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Trumanity wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 15:48
postslippete wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 10:58
The basic flaw in any of these models is that it assumes that duties are correctly sized to workload data and that absorption is possible without any systemic failure. It won't work in any office efficiently if too many duties are taken out, on top of a load of new builds and current parcel volumes.

The easy savings were made years ago in making duties bigger and it's the law of diminishing returns when you try to run a business with fewer full-time experienced staff whilst still expecting more productivity when overtime has been reduced. All you get are exponential QoS failures as staff burnout, sickness increases and attrition increases (particularly on new entrants).

At which point any extra "cost cutting" becomes counterproductive and simply destroys operational stability. None of RM's future projected savings will ever materialise in reality when what they have initially saved on oversized duties and increased workloads, they lose it back in inefficiency and instability.
The workload data is flawed everywhere. No model will work. What is important is to identify the worst, most destructive model. Then by executive action, they will exact the most devastating collapse of the USO, forcing the government to act. Letters are taken away, postmen are let go in their thousands, contracts are torn up, parcel routes are franchised to gig economy fruit pickers, vans are sold off, no pay, no sick pay, no pension, no uniform and all that beautiful estate is freed up for sale. Royal Mail will be morphed into GLS. Daniel makes a fortune.
People keep saying about the Govt taking on the letter side and the real estate being freed up for sale without thinking about what current infrastructure the Government would need ( and GLS or whoever it would be would need ) to continue to operate - its not as simple as how youve put it.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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In a nutshell, new delivery methods are never going to work.

The business can not retain staff like they did before. Reasons are wages are terrible especially for new starts, there are no incentives to go quicker and finish earlier because you can't.

The union have been banging on for years to do the job properly and I mean do everything properly incuding vehicle checks, then that way offices would be able to get a true picture of how much man power you need in each unit.

Removing duties does not work if your office is not fully staffed all year round. I wonder how many offices are actually fully staffed nationally and are fully functioning.

With offices understaffed nationally the business is already making savings. The goal is savings and nothing to do with achieving punctuality within the service.
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How many offices aren't on the naughty list but should be?
The most it ever gets to is about 140 which is about 12% of all offices.
RM must then think that 90% are in good enough shape to take on the ODM.
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Perseus wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 18:32
How many offices aren't on the naughty list but should be?
The most it ever gets to is about 140 which is about 12% of all offices.
RM must then think that 90% are in good enough shape to take on the ODM.
The business would rather focus on tracked parcels being 100% than mail any other day of the week. Whether its 10 or 90% that offices that are in good enough shape i don't think is irrelevant anymore.

RM wouldn't be bothered about 2nd class mail being left in frames for weeks on end as there main priority isn't that.

They have already made savings over the year by not employing the staff. Yes the vacancies are there, but the job just does not look appealing anymore, especially for a new start.

Quantity or the lack of it over quality is the businesses agenda. The delusional picture is that it looks like RM are trying to employ staff but can't, so in turn the regulator can dilute the USO by delivering mail less days of the week because of the lack of staff.

If they can jump through hoops they will try and there's nothing anybody can do about it, not even the union.
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postslippete wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 10:58
None of RM's future projected savings will ever materialise in reality when what they have initially saved on oversized duties and increased workloads, they lose it back in inefficiency and instability.
The company's rationale for the ODM is that the current delivery spec exhibs over-provision of service. Yet if you take a look around you it is fairly obvious this excess of service unofficially disappeared quite a number of years ago. There is a disconnect between reality and their model of reality - the map no longer shows the way forward.

To put it one way: they're so engrossed by the description of the World's Fair in Knoxville and getting there, that they haven't realised the travel guide is from 1982 :wink:
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I do wonder if RM's long term goal is to end all letter deliveries.
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 23:02
I do wonder if RM's long term goal is to end all letter deliveries.
Really! 😉 Who could possibly think that was the long term goal 😲
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A2B wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 23:48
SpacePhoenix wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 23:02
I do wonder if RM's long term goal is to end all letter deliveries.
Really! 😉 Who could possibly think that was the long term goal 😲
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c39wlryn20vo
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all waffle, cwu have no power, in my office seniority doesnt get followed, no resigns just whoever the manager decided to give duties to, then if someone regular leaves does it go up on the board or go to the next senior member? no it goes to the next new start while u being more experienced gets chucked around as a reserve, the union are out of touch no power, yeah noticed it said walk ownership to help new starts training, ie new starts taking ur walk after u train them on is whathappens in my office
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postmanplod2026 wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 09:16
all waffle, cwu have no power, in my office seniority doesnt get followed, no resigns just whoever the manager decided to give duties to, then if someone regular leaves does it go up on the board or go to the next senior member? no it goes to the next new start while u being more experienced gets chucked around as a reserve, the union are out of touch no power, yeah noticed it said walk ownership to help new starts training, ie new starts taking ur walk after u train them on is whathappens in my office
That sounds familiar, senior people retire - nice duties become available - newish person put on them, after a short while they think they're entitled to them, as if by magic the duties get changed to being part time to save money - newish person stays on them, overtime early ips or duty prepping gets offered to office favourites to compensate for duties going part time so they haven't saved anything, full time senior people looking forward to eventually getting a nice duty after 20-25 years service get properly pissed off.
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RM is fighting the market place. If you can do delivery well, there are better-paying, easier jobs out there you can get.
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britwrit wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 12:58
RM is fighting the market place. If you can do delivery well, there are better-paying, easier jobs out there you can get.
Better than legacy pay? Name them, would be interesting to find out.