Equalisation and the elephant in the room

[Mr Rush]

Stop comparing us to UPS, DHL and DPD. They do not deliver letters.

Neither do we, currently!

[postslippete]

Stop comparing us to UPS, DHL and DPD. They do not deliver letters.

If letters are declining and parcels are rising then RM are increasingly operating in the same space as those companies, so it's fair to compare their profit margins especially when RM still dominates a national monopoly on letter delivery through the USO.

If anything, a company with guaranteed nationwide coverage and monopoly letter revenue should theoretically be in a stronger position, not a weaker one.

[OikOik]

Equalisation aint gonna happen. No way id stay in a job , where financially your being shafted big time by your employer . JMO soz

How is someone getting paid the amount quoted in their contract being shafted?

I think we can all agree new posties aren't being paid particularly well, yet people apply for the job and the majority don't leave, so Royal Mail will feel vindicated and those accepting the new terms are doing so of their own free will.

It's not a great look to find out the person you work next to is paid more than you for the same job, but that's not exclusive to posties and it's not exclusive to Royal Mail.

As a general principle it's a bit crass to discuss your pay with someone else, particularly if you know you're paid more than them, yet here we are with posties blaming the business and the union for a situation which the former are fully entitled to try and the latter had no ability to stop being introduced.

Of course, the union could call a strike on the issue of two tier pay, but I wonder how much solidarity there would actually be in a scenario where the majority of those walking out had nothing to gain from strike action.

I have and will never have, a problem with someone in a company being paid more than a new start. It's an incentive to stay longer and reach those pay goals. Comparing the job someone who's been there long term to a new start is uncomparable, and disrespectful to the legacy staff. FYI I'm not legacy or a newbie.

I'd agree if this was a high paying job that required a high skill ceiling. It's not. Imagine two shelf stackers at Tesco being paid different wages. If the company wants to retain staff then it needs to stop the two tier pay structure. But, I believe Royal Mail is happy to have it this way. Gradually, over the years more legacy contracts will retire and theyll be a constant stream of new people coming and going.


BTW, new contracts will be 35p above minimum wage soon.

[fadetogrey63]

BTW, new contracts will be 35p above minimum wage soon.
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Yep, without killing yourself constantly doing overtime it's not worth the hassle. Come new year I'm 100% putting more effort in finding a more easy/simple job, it's not like I'd be losing out financially.. For the work we do, the pressures it's puts on us, physically and mentally, and the wear n tear on the body the wage is just not worth it, I'm way to old now for all this crap..

[Playmail]

Our wage goes up 2% in April same time as the main wage increase so we will be on £13.32 61p more than min wage if min wage increases by 4% every year and ours increases by 2% we will be on min wage in a couple of years. Cwu deal is falling apart can't understand why people voted yes for it. What have we gained

[abuch1980]

Equalisation aint gonna happen. No way id stay in a job , where financially your being shafted big time by your employer . JMO soz

How is someone getting paid the amount quoted in their contract being shafted?

I think we can all agree new posties aren't being paid particularly well, yet people apply for the job and the majority don't leave, so Royal Mail will feel vindicated and those accepting the new terms are doing so of their own free will.

It's not a great look to find out the person you work next to is paid more than you for the same job, but that's not exclusive to posties and it's not exclusive to Royal Mail.

As a general principle it's a bit crass to discuss your pay with someone else, particularly if you know you're paid more than them, yet here we are with posties blaming the business and the union for a situation which the former are fully entitled to try and the latter had no ability to stop being introduced.

Of course, the union could call a strike on the issue of two tier pay, but I wonder how much solidarity there would actually be in a scenario where the majority of those walking out had nothing to gain from strike action.

I have and will never have, a problem with someone in a company being paid more than a new start. It's an incentive to stay longer and reach those pay goals. Comparing the job someone who's been there long term to a new start is uncomparable, and disrespectful to the legacy staff. FYI I'm not legacy or a newbie.

I'd agree if this was a high paying job that required a high skill ceiling. It's not. Imagine two shelf stackers at Tesco being paid different wages. If the company wants to retain staff then it needs to stop the two tier pay structure. But, I believe Royal Mail is happy to have it this way. Gradually, over the years more legacy contracts will retire and theyll be a constant stream of new people coming and going.


BTW, new contracts will be 35p above minimum wage soon.

Imagine 2 shelf stickers getting paid differently, that's a bit disrespectful to all types of posties comparing our job to shelf stacking. For a start you need a drivers licence. This company doesn't want to retain staff ,it wants a conveyor belt of disposable numbers. It's a race to the bottom as someone says often on here.

[sweepster70]

Equalisation aint gonna happen. No way id stay in a job , where financially your being shafted big time by your employer . JMO soz

How is someone getting paid the amount quoted in their contract being shafted?

I think we can all agree new posties aren't being paid particularly well, yet people apply for the job and the majority don't leave, so Royal Mail will feel vindicated and those accepting the new terms are doing so of their own free will.

It's not a great look to find out the person you work next to is paid more than you for the same job, but that's not exclusive to posties and it's not exclusive to Royal Mail.

As a general principle it's a bit crass to discuss your pay with someone else, particularly if you know you're paid more than them, yet here we are with posties blaming the business and the union for a situation which the former are fully entitled to try and the latter had no ability to stop being introduced.

Of course, the union could call a strike on the issue of two tier pay, but I wonder how much solidarity there would actually be in a scenario where the majority of those walking out had nothing to gain from strike action.

I have and will never have, a problem with someone in a company being paid more than a new start. It's an incentive to stay longer and reach those pay goals. Comparing the job someone who's been there long term to a new start is uncomparable, and disrespectful to the legacy staff. FYI I'm not legacy or a newbie.

I'd agree if this was a high paying job that required a high skill ceiling. It's not. Imagine two shelf stackers at Tesco being paid different wages. If the company wants to retain staff then it needs to stop the two tier pay structure. But, I believe Royal Mail is happy to have it this way. Gradually, over the years more legacy contracts will retire and theyll be a constant stream of new people coming and going.


BTW, new contracts will be 35p above minimum wage soon.

Imagine 2 shelf stickers getting paid differently, that's a bit disrespectful to all types of posties comparing our job to shelf stacking. For a start you need a drivers licence. This company doesn't want to retain staff ,it wants a conveyor belt of disposable numbers. It's a race to the bottom as someone says often on here.

We all like to think our job is more important/better. A Postman is no different to a shelf stacker or any other manual job. The second part I agree with.

[TopperGas]

Equalisation aint gonna happen. No way id stay in a job , where financially your being shafted big time by your employer . JMO soz

How is someone getting paid the amount quoted in their contract being shafted?

I think we can all agree new posties aren't being paid particularly well, yet people apply for the job and the majority don't leave, so Royal Mail will feel vindicated and those accepting the new terms are doing so of their own free will.

It's not a great look to find out the person you work next to is paid more than you for the same job, but that's not exclusive to posties and it's not exclusive to Royal Mail.

As a general principle it's a bit crass to discuss your pay with someone else, particularly if you know you're paid more than them, yet here we are with posties blaming the business and the union for a situation which the former are fully entitled to try and the latter had no ability to stop being introduced.

Of course, the union could call a strike on the issue of two tier pay, but I wonder how much solidarity there would actually be in a scenario where the majority of those walking out had nothing to gain from strike action.

I have and will never have, a problem with someone in a company being paid more than a new start. It's an incentive to stay longer and reach those pay goals. Comparing the job someone who's been there long term to a new start is uncomparable, and disrespectful to the legacy staff. FYI I'm not legacy or a newbie.

I'd agree if this was a high paying job that required a high skill ceiling. It's not. Imagine two shelf stackers at Tesco being paid different wages. If the company wants to retain staff then it needs to stop the two tier pay structure. But, I believe Royal Mail is happy to have it this way. Gradually, over the years more legacy contracts will retire and theyll be a constant stream of new people coming and going.


BTW, new contracts will be 35p above minimum wage soon.

Imagine 2 shelf stickers getting paid differently, that's a bit disrespectful to all types of posties comparing our job to shelf stacking. For a start you need a drivers licence. This company doesn't want to retain staff ,it wants a conveyor belt of disposable numbers. It's a race to the bottom as someone says often on here.

We all like to think our job is more important/better. A Postman is no different to a shelf stacker or any other manual job. The second part I agree with.

My partner works in a supermarket, I doubt they'd last a week doing my job.