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Difference between old and new contracts in detail

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TopperGas
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by TopperGas »

OikOik wrote:
14 Oct 2025, 23:25
TopperGas wrote:
14 Oct 2025, 19:17
We seem to have no problems recruiting new starters at our DO, whilst that remains the case there seems no real incentive on RM to pay them any more, regardless as to whether legacy staff earn more money, it seems basically if you don't like what you are being paid then RM are content for you to get another job as you'll soon be replaced. If in the future recruitment does become an issue you only then will RM look at equalising the contracts, although by then new contracts staff might outnumber legacy staff anyway.
It's an employers market right now, job scene is s**t. So will always get applicants. As soon as something better comes along they will be off.

I guess problem is with this job is it takes a while to used to the routes, being efficienct etc etc where as other similar jobs such as being a courier, they just hand you some van keys and a pda and away you go.
At present RM don't seem at all concerned by the high turnover of staff, if they were then they would already be moving to equalise the contracts and so increase the new starters pay.

Whilst you highlight the issues RM must be aware of them and seem to show no interest in dealing with them.
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

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tramssirhc wrote:
14 Oct 2025, 16:21
What's the CWU doing about it?
Nothing I was told by our senior Union rep talks are on hold due to the more pressing matter of the USO reform.
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

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Whippy wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 08:26
tramssirhc wrote:
14 Oct 2025, 16:21
What's the CWU doing about it?
Nothing I was told by our senior Union rep talks are on hold due to the more pressing matter of the USO reform.
Don't give that tinpot outfit a penny then.
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

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tramssirhc wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 15:32

Don't give that tinpot outfit a penny then.
Once everyone leaves a recognised trade union, then what? How about less leverage or the fact that management could then set our pay and terms directly through "consultation" rather than negotiation. How about even rapid changes to delivery and shift patterns or even worse redundancy and sick pay terms, perhaps even fire and rehire tactics?

The PWRFC cannot organise lawful industrial action, represent workers in disciplinary hearings or sign any collective agreements. Until the PWRFC build a large membership base and formally register as a trade union, they are about as useful to us as an inflatable pincushion.
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by Londonsburning »

postslippete wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 17:02
tramssirhc wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 15:32

Don't give that tinpot outfit a penny then.
Once everyone leaves a recognised trade union, then what? How about less leverage or the fact that management could then set our pay and terms directly through "consultation" rather than negotiation. How about even rapid changes to delivery and shift patterns or even worse redundancy and sick pay terms, perhaps even fire and rehire tactics?

The PWRFC cannot organise lawful industrial action, represent workers in disciplinary hearings or sign any collective agreements. Until the PWRFC build a large membership base and formally register as a trade union, they are about as useful to us as an inflatable pincushion.
Maybe we should all start paying our dues to a real union, who respect their membership, like unite? :hmmmm :wink:
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

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postslippete wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 17:02
tramssirhc wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 15:32

Don't give that tinpot outfit a penny then.
Once everyone leaves a recognised trade union, then what? How about less leverage or the fact that management could then set our pay and terms directly through "consultation" rather than negotiation. How about even rapid changes to delivery and shift patterns or even worse redundancy and sick pay terms, perhaps even fire and rehire tactics?

The PWRFC cannot organise lawful industrial action, represent workers in disciplinary hearings or sign any collective agreements. Until the PWRFC build a large membership base and formally register as a trade union, they are about as useful to us as an inflatable pincushion.
Your first paragraph is exactly what workers are facing without any resistance from the CWU.
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by Sean06 »

postslippete wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 17:02
tramssirhc wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 15:32

Don't give that tinpot outfit a penny then.
Once everyone leaves a recognised trade union, then what? How about less leverage or the fact that management could then set our pay and terms directly through "consultation" rather than negotiation. How about even rapid changes to delivery and shift patterns or even worse redundancy and sick pay terms, perhaps even fire and rehire tactics?

The PWRFC cannot organise lawful industrial action, represent workers in disciplinary hearings or sign any collective agreements. Until the PWRFC build a large membership base and formally register as a trade union, they are about as useful to us as an inflatable pincushion.
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by Cedar_Room »

postslippete wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 17:02
tramssirhc wrote:
16 Oct 2025, 15:32

Don't give that tinpot outfit a penny then.
Once everyone leaves a recognised trade union, then what? How about less leverage or the fact that management could then set our pay and terms directly through "consultation" rather than negotiation. How about even rapid changes to delivery and shift patterns or even worse redundancy and sick pay terms, perhaps even fire and rehire tactics?

The PWRFC cannot organise lawful industrial action, represent workers in disciplinary hearings or sign any collective agreements. Until the PWRFC build a large membership base and formally register as a trade union, they are about as useful to us as an inflatable pincushion.
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Valentina@1
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by Valentina@1 »

Union poor decisions & tactics past 2-3 years have left us in a very weak negotiating position.

RM just walking all over us I’m afraid

Sad times 😢
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by MrTeeS »

Just to add more insult to the cause , I've put my last year payslips into a spreadsheet to work out my hourly rates :nana

For Reference I've started in Nov/24; :crazy:

I'm a D/O cover, std 30 hrs and I now work every Sunday and/or any available Extended Hours to "boost" my pay :dance

Seeing the pay rate difference, it does get a bit depressing though :Boo hoo!
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by Mr Rush »

MrTeeS wrote:
09 Jan 2026, 21:13
it does get a bit depressing though :Boo hoo!
Is that why you used the Comic Sans font? :wink:
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by fadetogrey63 »

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I'm a D/O cover, std 30 hrs and I now work every Sunday and/or any available Extended Hours to "boost" my pay


Yep, to get paid nearly the same as our co workers, we have to work all them hours over.. Yeah I knew the basic pay when I rejoined, but I didn't know how inferior it really was..
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by Hitcher »

You should look to see if there's any Parcel Force jobs going in the area as the money is better, that's what one of our new starters did recently.
MrTeeS
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by MrTeeS »

fadetogrey63 wrote:
10 Jan 2026, 06:26
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Yep, to get paid nearly the same as our co workers, we have to work all them hours over.. Yeah I knew the basic pay when I rejoined, but I didn't know how inferior it really was..
Just a reminder that those are pre-tax figures :arrrghhh not even £11/hr net pay for new starters ! I might just clear up & re- sell all the door stepping parcels I see from our " mates " from Evri and co. :nana

Anyways...at this rate I might just jump off the ship...
ChrisMH
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Re: Difference between old and new contracts in detail

Post by ChrisMH »

I started Oct 25 and by xmas in our DO all of us were on a rotated day off although still leave reserve. I think the rotated day off relies on a decent COM.