Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members

[postmanplod2025]

give us a lump sum in our first year do something for the posties for once cwu

[Rick91]

Genuinely surprised that a deal is still yet to be concluded. Primarily because the CWU funded a 2 day national briefing to discuss these very issues. That was now 2 weeks ago, so we can assume there was no traction in regards to any deal then. Could have been an extra 2 days of negotiations instead.

[tramssirhc]

The CWU continued to sit in a room and mouth words. This costs the members money and no one else. Members are seeing absolutely nothing from this activity.

A sign of the weakness of the CWU is the constant moving date of any conclusion. Members are furious at this failure.

These talks are complex in the imagination of Walsh and the CWU executive. It is not the CWU’s role to act as an advisor to the industry on how to run a company. Nor is it Ward and Walsh’s job to act as apologists for a multi-billion pound industry which is far from destitute.

There is no end date for a full agreement for the CWU to ‘sign off’. The update today is nothing of the sort. Today's output reveals nothing about the secret talks Walsh is having.

PAY

The CWU is nowhere near a rise in pay that makes up for past losses or for future job losses and speed ups. Any rise in pay will be self-funding through the selling of members jobs, allowances and increases in productivity.

In an attempt to cover up this betrayal the CWU think a productivity scheme will placate the membership. Walsh is deluded.

NEW ENTRANTS' TERMS AND CONDITIONS

The CWU is absolutely nowhere near raising up workers so that all postal workers have the same terms and conditions. It is an outstanding issue because the CWU will not achieve parity anytime soon. Ward and Walsh calling workers ‘legacy’ is a kick in the teeth. The members have never instructed the CWU to use the term ‘legacy’.

VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS

Despite telling Members there is no money and the industry is broke, Ward and Walsh are confident they can rustle up extra funds to give ‘legacy’ workers redundancy.

USO NEGOTIATIONS

Even though the regulator has broken ranks and tried to assert it's authority, the CWU has fully signed up to the profit making delivery method. OFCOM’s letter should have been sent to CWU HQ as well. The USO can only be altered by Parliament. Walsh is forcing through changes to working methods not changes to the USO.

A COMPLETE RE-SET

Members have been told the same thing for decades. The CWU will improve our working lives. It has never happened and this time will be no different. Ward and Walsh are gaslighting workers. Like the Who sang - ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’. The only major test is the members patience with Ward and Walsh.

IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES

Just like all the clear timelines given by the CWU these will simply get altered after the CWU fail to meet them.

SUMMARY

There is no end in sight. There were very few details in the update. It has given workers very little understanding. Members urgently need a resolution. There is an even more urgent need to boot out the CWU executive taking Ward and Walsh with it.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I see they've mentioned incentive scheme yet again

When it reared it's ugly head on the run up to Christmas two years ago our resident early starting break skipping doorstepping easy duty runners were heard to be referring to most of the rest of us as lazy bastards and much worse because we weren't completing which prevented the office from qualifying.

Yeah not a fan of incentive schemes either to be fair.
Creates division in offices and potential conflict between staff.
Pressure is inadvertently put on people to go the extra mile or stay out to complete.
The concept is a positive one that rewards working hard but has dangers to it.
Company's will obviously love it as productivity should increase in an office.
Not good for overall office morale though in my opinion.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

[SMS1969]

What was telling was Walsh slipping out about the newer contracts, in that they are much nearer getting a deal on VR than equalising the new contracts. RM won’t want equalisation, they want as many ‘ legacy ‘ out of the door so they can get new employees on sh1t terms. Hence the push for ODM, to p1ss as many older contracts off as possible.

[GRS]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

[chickenwittle]

The CWU continued to sit in a room and mouth words. This costs the members money and no one else. Members are seeing absolutely nothing from this activity.

A sign of the weakness of the CWU is the constant moving date of any conclusion. Members are furious at this failure.

These talks are complex in the imagination of Walsh and the CWU executive. It is not the CWU’s role to act as an advisor to the industry on how to run a company. Nor is it Ward and Walsh’s job to act as apologists for a multi-billion pound industry which is far from destitute.

There is no end date for a full agreement for the CWU to ‘sign off’. The update today is nothing of the sort. Today's output reveals nothing about the secret talks Walsh is having.

PAY

The CWU is nowhere near a rise in pay that makes up for past losses or for future job losses and speed ups. Any rise in pay will be self-funding through the selling of members jobs, allowances and increases in productivity.

In an attempt to cover up this betrayal the CWU think a productivity scheme will placate the membership. Walsh is deluded.

NEW ENTRANTS' TERMS AND CONDITIONS

The CWU is absolutely nowhere near raising up workers so that all postal workers have the same terms and conditions. It is an outstanding issue because the CWU will not achieve parity anytime soon. Ward and Walsh calling workers ‘legacy’ is a kick in the teeth. The members have never instructed the CWU to use the term ‘legacy’.

VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS

Despite telling Members there is no money and the industry is broke, Ward and Walsh are confident they can rustle up extra funds to give ‘legacy’ workers redundancy.

USO NEGOTIATIONS

Even though the regulator has broken ranks and tried to assert it's authority, the CWU has fully signed up to the profit making delivery method. OFCOM’s letter should have been sent to CWU HQ as well. The USO can only be altered by Parliament. Walsh is forcing through changes to working methods not changes to the USO.

A COMPLETE RE-SET

Members have been told the same thing for decades. The CWU will improve our working lives. It has never happened and this time will be no different. Ward and Walsh are gaslighting workers. Like the Who sang - ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’. The only major test is the members patience with Ward and Walsh.

IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES

Just like all the clear timelines given by the CWU these will simply get altered after the CWU fail to meet them.

SUMMARY

There is no end in sight. There were very few details in the update. It has given workers very little understanding. Members urgently need a resolution. There is an even more urgent need to boot out the CWU executive taking Ward and Walsh with it.

Where do you find the time to constantly spout nonsense, do you actually have a job ?

[tramssirhc]

The CWU continued to sit in a room and mouth words. This costs the members money and no one else. Members are seeing absolutely nothing from this activity.

A sign of the weakness of the CWU is the constant moving date of any conclusion. Members are furious at this failure.

These talks are complex in the imagination of Walsh and the CWU executive. It is not the CWU’s role to act as an advisor to the industry on how to run a company. Nor is it Ward and Walsh’s job to act as apologists for a multi-billion pound industry which is far from destitute.

There is no end date for a full agreement for the CWU to ‘sign off’. The update today is nothing of the sort. Today's output reveals nothing about the secret talks Walsh is having.

PAY

The CWU is nowhere near a rise in pay that makes up for past losses or for future job losses and speed ups. Any rise in pay will be self-funding through the selling of members jobs, allowances and increases in productivity.

In an attempt to cover up this betrayal the CWU think a productivity scheme will placate the membership. Walsh is deluded.

NEW ENTRANTS' TERMS AND CONDITIONS

The CWU is absolutely nowhere near raising up workers so that all postal workers have the same terms and conditions. It is an outstanding issue because the CWU will not achieve parity anytime soon. Ward and Walsh calling workers ‘legacy’ is a kick in the teeth. The members have never instructed the CWU to use the term ‘legacy’.

VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS

Despite telling Members there is no money and the industry is broke, Ward and Walsh are confident they can rustle up extra funds to give ‘legacy’ workers redundancy.

USO NEGOTIATIONS

Even though the regulator has broken ranks and tried to assert it's authority, the CWU has fully signed up to the profit making delivery method. OFCOM’s letter should have been sent to CWU HQ as well. The USO can only be altered by Parliament. Walsh is forcing through changes to working methods not changes to the USO.

A COMPLETE RE-SET

Members have been told the same thing for decades. The CWU will improve our working lives. It has never happened and this time will be no different. Ward and Walsh are gaslighting workers. Like the Who sang - ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’. The only major test is the members patience with Ward and Walsh.

IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES

Just like all the clear timelines given by the CWU these will simply get altered after the CWU fail to meet them.

SUMMARY

There is no end in sight. There were very few details in the update. It has given workers very little understanding. Members urgently need a resolution. There is an even more urgent need to boot out the CWU executive taking Ward and Walsh with it.

Where do you find the time to constantly spout nonsense, do you actually have a job ?

If I'm wrong prove it. In the meantime either find something better to do at 0532 or mind your own business.

[tramssirhc]

(All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail)

The statement above by the CWU will be the excuse for another poor pay rise .

…….towards end of video notice how ward starts to tow the company line as per

We getting shafted

Is it towing the company line being transparent with people?
It is possible that a company can be failing to turn over a regular healthy profit and stuck in a model that is outdated and unable to produce the profits it once did for a multitude of reasons?
Royal mail are now competing in a mainly gig economy industry where the competition have allot less overheads and financial restraints.
On top of that we have the USO obligation that requires an infrastructure that is very costly.
The revenue lost from letter decline has not helped either.

The flip side of that being why has an international businessman just paid £3.5B for a company that we’ve been told over the last X years is on its knees. He hasn’t walked in an paid the obligatory £1 to take on a dying company and all its problems. £3.5B - just think about that amount, even the Sphincter himself says he likes buying businesses that say they are struggling as the picture is never as bleak as it’s painted.

RM started this “no money” nonsense and have since brainwashed the CWU who just trot it out parrot fashion in every statement they put. Unfortunately it’s now the common narrative! This is a multi billion pound business and the only reason it doesn’t show the profits it should is because of the large wages, bonuses & gratuities paid out to people at the top. That in itself shows how successful financially the business itself is, however at the top end it’s run one way and at the bottom end it’s run the complete opposite where you would think we are some old corner shop business trying to survive amongst the conglomerates on the High Street.
The CWU should be attacking this not peddling the RM narrative to its members.

The purpose is the conversion of debt into dividends. Thames Water is the example.

[HTPostman]

I can’t believe Ward and Walsh are still in jobs at the CWU. One is like your Uncle you see at family events who blathers on and for the last 10 years has been telling you he’s going to knock down his garage and build a swimming pool. The other is your weird cousin who looks ridiculously uncomfortable every time you ask him a question.

Forgot RM, if CWU want to push into the future and retain support they have to sort themselves out and think of the image they are conveying. There’s guys in the union like Luke Elgar, young, speaks with energy and enthusiasm, and gives off a positive image.

And yes when I was a member I voted accordingly at the elections. I feel desperately sorry for all of you at RM and hope you get a fair deal.

[blacov]

I cant believe we are hearing same old bull.
They are trying to sell us incentives again. Incentives linked to unachievable targets. We will be basically doing double mail every day in very near future. I doubt there is any room to dump more work on us.

Sometimes I wonder if CWU works for us or for EP/IDS group...

I think they need to be very careful because there are a lot of people in my office very unhappy with cwu and many are looking to cancel subs.

[Valentina@1]

EVR or bust

[Jefferson Starfish]

The CWU continued to sit in a room and mouth words. This costs the members money and no one else. Members are seeing absolutely nothing from this activity.

A sign of the weakness of the CWU is the constant moving date of any conclusion. Members are furious at this failure.

These talks are complex in the imagination of Walsh and the CWU executive. It is not the CWU’s role to act as an advisor to the industry on how to run a company. Nor is it Ward and Walsh’s job to act as apologists for a multi-billion pound industry which is far from destitute.

There is no end date for a full agreement for the CWU to ‘sign off’. The update today is nothing of the sort. Today's output reveals nothing about the secret talks Walsh is having.

PAY

The CWU is nowhere near a rise in pay that makes up for past losses or for future job losses and speed ups. Any rise in pay will be self-funding through the selling of members jobs, allowances and increases in productivity.

In an attempt to cover up this betrayal the CWU think a productivity scheme will placate the membership. Walsh is deluded.

NEW ENTRANTS' TERMS AND CONDITIONS

The CWU is absolutely nowhere near raising up workers so that all postal workers have the same terms and conditions. It is an outstanding issue because the CWU will not achieve parity anytime soon. Ward and Walsh calling workers ‘legacy’ is a kick in the teeth. The members have never instructed the CWU to use the term ‘legacy’.

VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS

Despite telling Members there is no money and the industry is broke, Ward and Walsh are confident they can rustle up extra funds to give ‘legacy’ workers redundancy.

USO NEGOTIATIONS

Even though the regulator has broken ranks and tried to assert it's authority, the CWU has fully signed up to the profit making delivery method. OFCOM’s letter should have been sent to CWU HQ as well. The USO can only be altered by Parliament. Walsh is forcing through changes to working methods not changes to the USO.

A COMPLETE RE-SET

Members have been told the same thing for decades. The CWU will improve our working lives. It has never happened and this time will be no different. Ward and Walsh are gaslighting workers. Like the Who sang - ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’. The only major test is the members patience with Ward and Walsh.

IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES

Just like all the clear timelines given by the CWU these will simply get altered after the CWU fail to meet them.

SUMMARY

There is no end in sight. There were very few details in the update. It has given workers very little understanding. Members urgently need a resolution. There is an even more urgent need to boot out the CWU executive taking Ward and Walsh with it.

Where do you find the time to constantly spout nonsense, do you actually have a job ?

If I'm wrong prove it. In the meantime either find something better to do at 0532 or mind your own business.

Says the bloke commenting just 21 minutes later at 0553.

[CornishCracker]

EVR or bust

It will be 12 months across the board.