For a long time our office has had everyone queuing at the clocking out machines to leave exactly on time. The walks are so unbalanced that it's the only fair way. Although that doesn't stop some getting back early to chat whilst others are trying their hardest and still not completing the work.
Amazing this still goes on, but not really surprised. The 'I've done MY duty' mindset is about to be shaken up and I don't think doing SISO to the exact minute will be enough to go under the radar when people are scanning their last delivery item well before their finish time. Some in ours do a 3.5hr delivery and others are 5 hours, but as long as you SISO exactly to the minute.....
For a long time our office has had everyone queuing at the clocking out machines to leave exactly on time. The walks are so unbalanced that it's the only fair way. Although that doesn't stop some getting back early to chat whilst others are trying their hardest and still not completing the work.
It’s an age old problem that walks are no where equal. I remember about 6 or 7 years ago managers would send you back out again with cut offs from previous days if you came back early. So guess what no one came back before finishing time for about a month then it went back to type.
Really guys! Just clock in at your start time, clock out on your finish time! Ain’t rocket science… or SISO Vs PAY… Full time 37 hours, do you really want to carve it up?! and get paid less? Have a word wit ya self!
i think you need to get use to clocking out on your time , because would you clock out early if they took that time off your pay ? , i think you need to get use to clocking out on your finish time because its coming , pay connected to siso .
I see everyone is piping up about clocking out early but nobody has addressed the issues of the usual suspects clocking in late every other day , both go hand in hand as far as I’m concerned but the anger seems to be directed at the early clocking out.
It’s no problem leaving 10 mins early so long as you don’t start cutting off on heavier days when you might have to go 10 15 mins over. Cuts both ways and that’s fine. It’s not like we’re working in a shop where you have to man the floor til closing or lock up.
Write to your area manager for a bigger delivery, that’s what you’re pretty much doing already.
It’s no problem leaving 10 mins early so long as you don’t start cutting off on heavier days when you might have to go 10 15 mins over. Cuts both ways and that’s fine. It’s not like we’re working in a shop where you have to man the floor til closing or lock up.
Write to your area manager for a bigger delivery, that’s what you’re pretty much doing already.
No need. If these changes come in it will be a question of do what you can in your time then cut off. Get it while you can.
No one has mentioned on here about the guys who are being paid for extra time delivering packets but still clocking out on their normal finish time. For me, if someone claims payment for hours that they have not worked and management either approves or ignores it then that is potentially fraud.
If the same manager is then lecturing staff about people clocking out 10 minutes early but turning a blind eye to ghost overtime then that's not just double standards but corrupt management. This sort of this thing undermines the entire workplace but it never really gets raised officially by the reps and if RM is truly under financial pressure then integrity should go both ways - not just when its convenient for management.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Agreed overtime should be done outside of contracted hours. If managers want to offer an enhanced rate to make it worthwhile for individuals then fair enough but don’t pay extra for doing work that can be achieved in your time.
Exactly. Those people are being paid for "extra hours" while still clocking out at their usual finish time. That's not working overtime but claiming for time that wasn't worked and it's being approved by management. If RM are cracking down on people for clocking out 5-10 minutes early after doing a full shift then surely being paid for time not worked should be take just as seriously - if not more.
You can't demand that all staff are not allowed to clock out early and then turn a blind eye when it benefits someone else. Staff who are doing a lot of the "ghost overtime" in our office are on p*ss easy singleton duties and are able to get out the office earlier than anyone else, because they wouldn't be able to do it otherwise.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
You can't demand that all staff are not allowed to clock out early and then turn a blind eye when it benefits someone else.
The two issues are entirely separate, though both are practices supposedly to be eradicated under SISO.
As said previously, "he does this so I can do that" isn't any sort of workable defence.
