RMCtv : Nick 'Never in a month of' Landon : We probably need 25% of the team to cover a Sunday

[Clappedoutpostie]

Easy way around this, all drivers run their van into a tree, get suspended from driving therefore no working on Sunday

And push up their insurance premiums. AFAIK any vehicle accidents with a works vehicle have to also be notified to your own insurer

They could get sent to any office in the UK where there's non driving duties to be covered

How would they get there?

[Woody Guthrie]

Pretty risky strategy all round.
Apart from the risk of injury or death deliberate damage to Royal Mail property is gross misconduct leading to possible dismissal.

[cheesetoastie]

I would probably be up for this

Week 1 : Mon - wed - Fri - sun
Week 2 : Tues - thurs - sat

Essential 1 day on 1 day off

Anyone see any pitfalls in this?

[Woody Guthrie]

I would probably be up for this

Week 1 : Mon - wed - Fri - sun
Week 2 : Tues - thurs - sat

Essential 1 day on 1 day off

Anyone see any pitfalls in this?

A full-timer would need to work an average of10 and a half a hours a day.
That's a lot of hours to fill.

[crimson king]

It's a certainty that those who were forced into different shift patterns during covid restrictions will be targeted first.

Nah like everything in Royal Mail seniority is king, so if you have been here 30+ years on a cushy delivery finished an hour early everyday your charmed life will remain unchanged. The rest of us better come to terms with working at least some sundays or find another job.

Nobody likes seniority

Till they have some

And what is this frequent begrudging the old timers their easier duties? Jesus, they've done their time, let em see out their remaining few years on a flat firms duty or whatever.

If you've got 20/30 years under your belt then your body has earned the right to a lighter day...and this is coming from a bloke who's only five years in.

It boils my piss people coming in the door and moaning that old Limping Larry has a cushty duty and finishes early every day. No doubt to give him time to get home and start applying the linament he'll need to see him through tomorrow.

Have some respect, not to mention some compassion, for your elder fellow man.

[claretandblue]

It's a certainty that those who were forced into different shift patterns during covid restrictions will be targeted first.

Nah like everything in Royal Mail seniority is king, so if you have been here 30+ years on a cushy delivery finished an hour early everyday your charmed life will remain unchanged. The rest of us better come to terms with working at least some sundays or find another job.

Nobody likes seniority

Till they have some

And what is this frequent begrudging the old timers their easier duties? Jesus, they've done their time, let em see out their remaining few years on a flat firms duty or whatever.

If you've got 20/30 years under your belt then your body has earned the right to a lighter day...and this is coming from a bloke who's only five years in.

It boils my piss people coming in the door and moaning that old Limping Larry has a cushty duty and finishes early every day. No doubt to give him time to get home and start applying the linament he'll need to see him through tomorrow.

Have some respect, not to mention some compassion, for your elder fellow man.

Well said

[mjd24]

It's a certainty that those who were forced into different shift patterns during covid restrictions will be targeted first.

Nah like everything in Royal Mail seniority is king, so if you have been here 30+ years on a cushy delivery finished an hour early everyday your charmed life will remain unchanged. The rest of us better come to terms with working at least some sundays or find another job.

Nobody likes seniority

Till they have some

And what is this frequent begrudging the old timers their easier duties? Jesus, they've done their time, let em see out their remaining few years on a flat firms duty or whatever.

If you've got 20/30 years under your belt then your body has earned the right to a lighter day...and this is coming from a bloke who's only five years in.

It boils my piss people coming in the door and moaning that old Limping Larry has a cushty duty and finishes early every day. No doubt to give him time to get home and start applying the linament he'll need to see him through tomorrow.

Have some respect, not to mention some compassion, for your elder fellow man.

Done their time, during which time the job was a lot easier, i think we can all agree.

[SpacePhoenix]

Easy way around this, all drivers run their van into a tree, get suspended from driving therefore no working on Sunday

And push up their insurance premiums. AFAIK any vehicle accidents with a works vehicle have to also be notified to your own insurer

They could get sent to any office in the UK where there's non driving duties to be covered

How would they get there?

I joined RM in the early 2000s and it was in my contract about potentially being sent to any RM office in the UK so it's been in all contracts from at least 2000ish

[SpacePhoenix]

It's a certainty that those who were forced into different shift patterns during covid restrictions will be targeted first.

Nah like everything in Royal Mail seniority is king, so if you have been here 30+ years on a cushy delivery finished an hour early everyday your charmed life will remain unchanged. The rest of us better come to terms with working at least some sundays or find another job.

Nobody likes seniority

Till they have some

And what is this frequent begrudging the old timers their easier duties? Jesus, they've done their time, let em see out their remaining few years on a flat firms duty or whatever.

If you've got 20/30 years under your belt then your body has earned the right to a lighter day...and this is coming from a bloke who's only five years in.

It boils my piss people coming in the door and moaning that old Limping Larry has a cushty duty and finishes early every day. No doubt to give him time to get home and start applying the linament he'll need to see him through tomorrow.

Have some respect, not to mention some compassion, for your elder fellow man.

If they're finishing an hour early every day, the DOM is bound to add an hours worth of work the next time all the actual finish times get reviewed. If they don't, chances are their boss will order them to do so

[Woody Guthrie]

Done their time, during which time the job was a lot easier, i think we can all agree.

Not really.
The job has been s**t for the best part of 20 years if not longer, I think we can all agree.

[Pidleypoo]

Done their time, during which time the job was a lot easier, i think we can all agree.

Not really.
The job has been s**t for the best part of 20 years if not longer, I think we can all agree.

Exactly. I’m above the 15 year mark and it’s been s**t the whole time.

[Acca Dacca]

Easy way around this, all drivers run their van into a tree, get suspended from driving therefore no working on Sunday

And push up their insurance premiums. AFAIK any vehicle accidents with a works vehicle have to also be notified to your own insurer

They could get sent to any office in the UK where there's non driving duties to be covered

How would they get there?

I joined RM in the early 2000s and it was in my contract about potentially being sent to any RM office in the UK so it's been in all contracts from at least 2000ish

Being sent is different from having to make your own way there

If you cant drive, they cant give you a van and tell you to go to such and such office - so have to take you themselves

If you insist on starting at your time at your own office and finishing at your time at your own office, then its not worth their time sending you in the long run

[Woody Guthrie]

Forgetting all the nonsense about deliberately having an accident etc because that would be incredibly stupid if you voluntarily take yourself off driving without any medical reason and related evidence you would be at the mercy of Royal Mail as to where there was suitable work available.

If that meant the mail centre or another DO miles away it would be up to you to make your way there in your own time just as if you had voluntarily asked for a transfer.

[mjd24]

It's a certainty that those who were forced into different shift patterns during covid restrictions will be targeted first.

Nah like everything in Royal Mail seniority is king, so if you have been here 30+ years on a cushy delivery finished an hour early everyday your charmed life will remain unchanged. The rest of us better come to terms with working at least some sundays or find another job.

Nobody likes seniority

Till they have some

And what is this frequent begrudging the old timers their easier duties? Jesus, they've done their time, let em see out their remaining few years on a flat firms duty or whatever.

If you've got 20/30 years under your belt then your body has earned the right to a lighter day...and this is coming from a bloke who's only five years in.

It boils my piss people coming in the door and moaning that old Limping Larry has a cushty duty and finishes early every day. No doubt to give him time to get home and start applying the linament he'll need to see him through tomorrow.

Have some respect, not to mention some compassion, for your elder fellow man.

If they're finishing an hour early every day, the DOM is bound to add an hours worth of work the next time all the actual finish times get reviewed. If they don't, chances are their boss will order them to do so

My thinking: its easy to finish an hour early somedays, obviously when its light and you might know the job inside out, where to leave packets and all the little things that can add up to save you time.

To then add “an hours worth” of work and expect to finish bang on time… it doesn’t necessarily work out like that. Part of that is psychological- wheres one’s motivation to keep working at that pace when all it gets you is more work to do. Youre just going to want to slow down if anything.

But also physically- a 200 meter runner wont be able to do the 400 meters at the same pace. Likewise for us posties, the longer our deliveries, the slower the pace.

Its so easy to look at the numbers and discover these seemingly obvious ways to “increase productivity”, but as has been said on here many times, we are not robots.

[Woody Guthrie]

It's a mailcentre thing.

As has been pointed out to SP many times you can't just add an hour's work to a duty based on an individual's performance or finishing time because the duty and the individual are two separate things.

You might send the guy out with more work if he keeps coming back early if there's work available but again that's the individual not the duty and as most managers are aware if that becomes a regular occurance the guy is just going to slow down unless he's really stupid.