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pne_postie wrote:Our's has been suspended until August at the earliest. :whistle

Got told in WTL on Tuesday.
so wouldnt it be bettter for people to start posting areas that say they are suspended give us more of an idea if its noth,
east ,south or west it could be 1 area it could be 2 it maybe all 3
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woofwoof wrote:
pne_postie wrote:Our's has been suspended until August at the earliest. :whistle

Got told in WTL on Tuesday.
so wouldnt it be bettter for people to start posting areas that say they are suspended give us more of an idea if its noth,
east ,south or west it could be 1 area it could be 2 it maybe all 3
Apparently ALL revisions are suspended,nationally. That's what was written on the WTL handout anyway.

Make of that what you will. :whistle
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pne_postie wrote:
Apparently ALL revisions are suspended,nationally. That's what was written on the WTL handout anyway.

Make of that what you will. :whistle
Any chance you could safely lay your hands on a copy? :whistle
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Well not all revisions have been suspended. We have the WSMs installed mid Feb which will trigger revision, though in fairness because of the thoroughness of the delivery methods last year, now settling down and some changes due probably increasing duties, the WSM should cause no problems.
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pne_postie wrote:
woofwoof wrote:
pne_postie wrote:Our's has been suspended until August at the earliest. :whistle

Got told in WTL on Tuesday.
so wouldnt it be bettter for people to start posting areas that say they are suspended give us more of an idea if its noth,
east ,south or west it could be 1 area it could be 2 it maybe all 3
Apparently ALL revisions are suspended,nationally. That's what was written on the WTL handout anyway.

Make of that what you will. :whistle

show us the copy
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pne_postie wrote:
woofwoof wrote:
pne_postie wrote:Our's has been suspended until August at the earliest. :whistle

Got told in WTL on Tuesday.
so wouldnt it be bettter for people to start posting areas that say they are suspended give us more of an idea if its noth,
east ,south or west it could be 1 area it could be 2 it maybe all 3
Apparently ALL revisions are suspended,nationally. That's what was written on the WTL handout anyway.

Make of that what you will. :whistle
darwen lancs not suspended CANVELLED table top revision at best
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Dont have the sheet,sorry,but will have a scout round for one tomorrow.

Thinking about it,it wasn't even the main "headline topic" - sort of tucked away right down at the bottom of the second page.
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pne_postie wrote:Dont have the sheet,sorry,but will have a scout round for one tomorrow.

Thinking about it,it wasn't even the main "headline topic" - sort of tucked away right down at the bottom of the second page.

get the dom to sign a copy
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clashcityrocker wrote:How long would it take to do a table-top revision using CDVs?
Is it even possible?
If the revision using a planner was a 16 week process, will the rep and the DOM both get 16 weeks release?
TT revision isn't going to be a 2 man park and loop job - that doesn't work unless the walks are pretty short, that must be clear to RM management now.

From what I can gather ours will be walks evened up as currently some are over an hour longer than others, another 15 mins or so each on the delivery span and the ones given vans will take out some tracked items and probably drop off another postie and their bags.

It resolves most issues with people waiting for drivers to turn up with their bags, eases pressure on the drivers as tracked items are going through the roof, and takes some hours out as well as utilising the CDV's that are already paid for. Result = Rm can claim 'modernisation' is still being rolled out when in fact delivery methods will barely change.

A lot of linos are slated on this site but I have to speak up for ours, they are very reasonable and about as good as you will find.
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This thread is insane!

You cant have delivery methods without trollies or park and loop/georoute.
Settling for a table top revision is asking for trouble.
The whole point is to get RM to make p&l loops shorter so staff can actually complete them as they are meant to be done. Not get bigger duties using bags with a van as a pouch drop!

For gods sake RM concieved this mess, they must be forced to follow it through.

Where is the CWU in all this?

Head in the sand yet again.
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OnAFlyer wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:How long would it take to do a table-top revision using CDVs?
Is it even possible?
If the revision using a planner was a 16 week process, will the rep and the DOM both get 16 weeks release?
TT revision isn't going to be a 2 man park and loop job - that doesn't work unless the walks are pretty short, that must be clear to RM management now.

From what I can gather ours will be walks evened up as currently some are over an hour longer than others, another 15 mins or so each on the delivery span and the ones given vans will take out some tracked items and probably drop off another postie and their bags.

It resolves most issues with people waiting for drivers to turn up with their bags, eases pressure on the drivers as tracked items are going through the roof, and takes some hours out as well as utilising the CDV's that are already paid for. Result = Rm can claim 'modernisation' is still being rolled out when in fact delivery methods will barely change.

A lot of linos are slated on this site but I have to speak up for ours, they are very reasonable and about as good as you will find.
So (if i've read you right) you said bollox yes?
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The problem with any system is that mail and parcel volumes differ on a day-by-day basis. Royal Mail, fuelled by a series of idiots at the very top - who have since moved on to pastures new - has adopted the 'work all contracted hours' mantra and seems to want to take it right to the very end, without acknowledging this one fundamental fact - because mail volumes differ, indoor and outdoor work varies on a daily basis. No round can be plotted by a computer to work in a particular way, and no matter what system is tried, there are days on which it won't work, whether it goes against the employer or the employee (in the former case, with the employee finishing early, in the latter case, finishing late).

If they want to create this system whereby everything is generalised and standardised, they're going to have to come up with some far more creative ways of doing it. This is simply not a job where things can be formulated and then implemented. This is not some simple logistical conundrum. Park and loop is one system that will work if the rounds are made to work, but that is unlikely to solve the problem of 'dead time' on certain days. What is going to happen then - do the loops become bigger? Do we lapse a loop (I love that sentence)? I just don't understand how any system is going to be acceptable. They have so far gone totally the wrong way with walks being too long but the old problems will arise if they go the other way.

Oh dear what a shambles. Maybe it's time folk just clocked in and clocked out and got paid from minute A to minute B, rounded up to the nearest half-hour. Make the walks so that they're approximately four hours and just let us get on with it. I know it won't appeal to some, and even I would say it's complete bonkers, but 'working your hours' will never work in a workplace that changes on a day-by-day basis.
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I wish they would bring a clocking in/off system but RM would'nt do it, they would have to pay the right amount of OT if that happens, instead of conning people.
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taurus88 wrote:but 'working your hours' will never work in a workplace that changes on a day-by-day basis.
Yes it does.
The solution is simpler than you think and right in front of your eyes.
You simply give everyone far more work than they can possibly do in their hours.
Those who want the O/T..."flex up"...those who don't....don't.
Everybody works their hours....simples.
That is the theory behind the lowest model week....model.
Two things need to happen though...we need to accept the need to do the job properly and drop the headless chicken act and management need to accept that what gets done in your hours...gets done,none of this performance issues bollox...not very likely.
In it's truest form it solves the working your hours thing....getting it to work in practice is a different matter.
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And what happens to the work that doesn't get done by the flexies.Haven't we (RMCers)spoken about this before.
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