If Scotland votes aye

[simply_the_best]

It came via Catalans supporting an independent Scotland, whats wrong with sharing thoughts, thats why the Yes movement is the biggest movement Scotland has ever seen. Controlling thoughts is the negative No Campaign way, which is being controlled by the corrupt political elite from their Westminster Thiefdom. Which part of Spain are you going for your holidays,

Would this be the movement that had a rally in Edinburgh last year and police reckoned there was a bigger crowd at Easter Rd watching St Mirren play Hibs



A similar event in Barcelona seen over a millon attend, Scotlands equivalent is a facebook and twitter campaign involving the same gullible simpletons sharing conspiracy theories of massive oil fields off the coast of Shetland.

[Cut Off King]

Q- Why is it that SO MANY English people are WORRIED about Scotland going independant ? After all, the Scots have always been described as a drain on English resources via the Barnet formula ? and have often been described as "You Jock Barstewards"

Could it be that English ballance of payments will look a LOT worse after Scotland takes all the profit from oil revenues ?

Who knows, maybe English pollititions will have to raise taxes to compensate, making them un-electable

This fight is about ££££ and political power

English people should be in charge of English matters , And Scots in charge of Scottish matters

[newtimes]

This is what I have been trying to put over,

“A yes vote in Scotland would unleash the most dangerous thing of all – hope”

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... f-all-hope" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[simply_the_best]

Q- Why is it that SO MANY English people are WORRIED about Scotland going independant ? After all, the Scots have always been described as a drain on English resources via the Barnet formula ? and have often been described as "You Jock Barstewards"

Could it be that English ballance of payments will look a LOT worse after Scotland takes all the profit from oil revenues ?

Who knows, maybe English pollititions will have to raise taxes to compensate, making them un-electable

This fight is about ££££ and political power

English people should be in charge of English matters , And Scots in charge of Scottish matters

Do you know that the UK donates more to foreign aid than it raises in North Sea revenue?

[Cut Off King]

Q- Why is it that SO MANY English people are WORRIED about Scotland going independant ? After all, the Scots have always been described as a drain on English resources via the Barnet formula ? and have often been described as "You Jock Barstewards"

Could it be that English ballance of payments will look a LOT worse after Scotland takes all the profit from oil revenues ?

Who knows, maybe English pollititions will have to raise taxes to compensate, making them un-electable

This fight is about ££££ and political power

English people should be in charge of English matters , And Scots in charge of Scottish matters

Do you know that the UK donates more to foreign aid than it raises in North Sea revenue?

Your point being ?

[borders]

thanks for that link Newtimes, led me onto another article of his which is well worth a read , http://www.monbiot.com/2014/08/05/deviant-and-proud/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[borders]

here is a little taster ,

At the heart of this story is the notion of merit. Untrammelled competition rewards people who have talent, who work hard and who innovate. It breaks down hierarchies and creates a world of opportunity and mobility. The reality is rather different. Even at the beginning of the process, when markets are first deregulated, we do not start with equal opportunities. Some people are a long way down the track before the starting gun is fired. This is how the Russian oligarchs managed to acquire such wealth when the Soviet Union broke up. They weren’t, on the whole, the most talented, hard-working or innovative people, but those with the fewest scruples, the most thugs and the best contacts, often in the KGB.

Even when outcomes are based on talent and hard work, they don’t stay that way for long. Once the first generation of liberated entrepreneurs has made its money, the initial meritocracy is replaced by a new elite, which insulates its children from competition by inheritance and the best education money can buy. Where market fundamentalism has been most fiercely applied – in countries like the US and UK – social mobility has greatly declined(3).

If neoliberalism were anything other than a self-serving con, whose gurus and think tanks were financed from the beginning by some of the richest people on earth (the American tycoons Coors, Olin, Scaife, Pew and others)(4), its apostles would have demanded, as a precondition for a society based on merit, that no one should start life with the unfair advantage of inherited wealth or economically-determined education. But they never believed in their own doctrine. Enterprise, as a result, quickly gave way to rent.

All this is ignored, and success or failure in the market economy are ascribed solely to the efforts of the individual. The rich are the new righteous, the poor are the new deviants, who have failed both economically and morally, and are now classified as social parasites.

The market was meant to emancipate us, offering autonomy and freedom. Instead it has delivered atomisation and loneliness. The workplace has been overwhelmed by a mad, Kafka-esque infrastructure of assessments, monitoring, measuring, surveillance and audits, centrally directed and rigidly planned, whose purpose is to reward the winners and punish the losers. It destroys autonomy, enterprise, innovation and loyalty and breeds frustration, envy and fear. Through a magnificent paradox, it has led to the revival of a grand old Soviet tradition, known in Russian as tufta. It means the falsification of statistics to meet the diktats of unaccountable power.

[dvbuk55]

Don't know why the Scots think they are going to get 100% of any oil revenues. Once the sums with the checks and balances in place are finalised I don't think they are going to be any better off but hey only the politicians (I think it must be spelled differently over the border) give a crap over this referendum because the ordinary bloke in the street couldn't give a flying haggis

[newtimes]

thanks for that link Newtimes, led me onto another article of his which is well worth a read , http://www.monbiot.com/2014/08/05/deviant-and-proud/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sharing and helping is simply the best way forward, going to print that one out to share. Cheers

[newtimes]

Don't know why the Scots think they are going to get 100% of any oil revenues. Once the sums with the checks and balances in place are finalised I don't think they are going to be any better off but hey only the politicians (I think it must be spelled differently over the border) give a crap over this referendum because the ordinary bloke in the street couldn't give a flying haggis

A yes vote will give hope what type of person would vote no.

[borders]

Don't know why the Scots think they are going to get 100% of any oil revenues. Once the sums with the checks and balances in place are finalised I don't think they are going to be any better off but hey only the politicians (I think it must be spelled differently over the border) give a crap over this referendum because the ordinary bloke in the street couldn't give a flying haggis

well you seem to give a toss , taking into account the amount of posts you have put up on this thread and you don't even live in Scotland !!

[borders]

thanks for that link Newtimes, led me onto another article of his which is well worth a read , http://www.monbiot.com/2014/08/05/deviant-and-proud/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sharing and helping is simply the best way forward, going to print that one out to share. Cheers

for me being English , that is the hope I have , that the Scots MAY show us that there is a better way to run our Society rather than living in the Society that article portrays.

[simply_the_best]

Don't know why the Scots think they are going to get 100% of any oil revenues. Once the sums with the checks and balances in place are finalised I don't think they are going to be any better off but hey only the politicians (I think it must be spelled differently over the border) give a crap over this referendum because the ordinary bloke in the street couldn't give a flying haggis

It's unlikely we'll be any better off and a fair chance far worse, you only have to read some of the posts on here to realise how unclued some folk are over this, it's feckin scary, Salmond is selling them a Utopian dream but the lemmings haven't got the nous to realise they'll be paying for it.

I still think it'll be 60-40, the facebook brigade will be suicidal!!

[simply_the_best]

Do you know that the UK donates more to foreign aid than it raises in North Sea revenue?

Your point being ?

I think the rUK will absorb comfortably what Scotland used to put in if the worst comes to the worst!

[simply_the_best]

Says it all...