LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[TopperGas]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

Dont take what this lot say as the truth. You are spot on with what you say. The traffic comes out as you describe. The CWU aren't telling the truth. The workload on the day will be whatever has to go.

RM have been clear that no second class is to be delivered on Saturdays whether it arrives at the DO or not on the Friday or the Saturday

What’s not to understand about that? They have been clear from the outset

The due mail for that day will be part of the workload. It could be anything. Then include all the other tasks. The idea that it will simply be two products is nonsense and the CWU know it.

The only "due" mail will be 1c including Articles for the Blind plus NHS letters along with Tracked and Specials, nothing else will delivered, if a postie is covering two duties they wouldn't have the time to deliver anything else anyway.

[TopperGas]

The trial method for CSS is for 1C and 2C to be run together on both waves, with the DTS releasing any 2C where there's a 1C item for a DP, any 2C that has hit the time limit and any 2C where other 2C is being released for the same DP. Wave 1 is sequenced, wave 2 is walk sort. Any wave 2 up until a certain time goes to the CSS machines, anything after that gets run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM.

Any 1C which arrives for wave 2 that hasn't been through an iLSM or IMP before has go be run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM as without the data encoded into the orange barcodes the CSS machines chuck it out to the deferred.

We've been running the trial method for months, before we did we'd average about 30% of mail being deferred, now it's about 50%. The volume of deferred is determined by when the DSA arrives at the MC.

What point are you trying to make, as it doesn't matter what arrives in a DO as if it's only a 1c deliver day then any 2c which arrives won't be delivered.

If for some bizarre reason the company decides 1c & 2c needs to be delivered on a 1c day under DM26 then they are going to have to make the duties shorter so it can all be delivered, or just accept mail will be brought back.

[norris9]

3 posties doing 4 duties is going to be a complete and utter disaster if - as far as I understand - we have to deliver 3 days mail and 2 days mail in a van-share.... and when working on our own doing parcels + 1st class mail for 2 duties....

That simply can never work.

That could be 100 to 150 parcels + 40 to 80 1st class letters to deliver..... absolutely impossible.

1st class mail and tracked parcels will be brought back daily en masse as nobody will be completing that in time.

[SpacePhoenix]

The trial method for CSS is for 1C and 2C to be run together on both waves, with the DTS releasing any 2C where there's a 1C item for a DP, any 2C that has hit the time limit and any 2C where other 2C is being released for the same DP. Wave 1 is sequenced, wave 2 is walk sort. Any wave 2 up until a certain time goes to the CSS machines, anything after that gets run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM.

Any 1C which arrives for wave 2 that hasn't been through an iLSM or IMP before has go be run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM as without the data encoded into the orange barcodes the CSS machines chuck it out to the deferred.

We've been running the trial method for months, before we did we'd average about 30% of mail being deferred, now it's about 50%. The volume of deferred is determined by when the DSA arrives at the MC.

What point are you trying to make, as it doesn't matter what arrives in a DO as if it's only a 1c deliver day then any 2c which arrives won't be delivered.

If for some bizarre reason the company decides 1c & 2c needs to be delivered on a 1c day under DM26 then they are going to have to make the duties shorter so it can all be delivered, or just accept mail will be brought back.

People have been saying that the 1C doesn't get run on wave 1 when it does. We don't give a s**t what DOs attempt to deliver, we've done our bit, if the DOs fail it, it's their problem.

[claretandblue]

The trial method for CSS is for 1C and 2C to be run together on both waves, with the DTS releasing any 2C where there's a 1C item for a DP, any 2C that has hit the time limit and any 2C where other 2C is being released for the same DP. Wave 1 is sequenced, wave 2 is walk sort. Any wave 2 up until a certain time goes to the CSS machines, anything after that gets run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM.

Any 1C which arrives for wave 2 that hasn't been through an iLSM or IMP before has go be run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM as without the data encoded into the orange barcodes the CSS machines chuck it out to the deferred.

We've been running the trial method for months, before we did we'd average about 30% of mail being deferred, now it's about 50%. The volume of deferred is determined by when the DSA arrives at the MC.

What point are you trying to make, as it doesn't matter what arrives in a DO as if it's only a 1c deliver day then any 2c which arrives won't be delivered.

If for some bizarre reason the company decides 1c & 2c needs to be delivered on a 1c day under DM26 then they are going to have to make the duties shorter so it can all be delivered, or just accept mail will be brought back.

People have been saying that the 1C doesn't get run on wave 1 when it does. We don't give a s**t what DOs attempt to deliver, we've done our bit, if the DOs fail it, it's their problem.

We're not saying that at all, we are saying that there isn't any first class in the sequenced, apart from postal votes.

[tramssirhc]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

Dont take what this lot say as the truth. You are spot on with what you say. The traffic comes out as you describe. The CWU aren't telling the truth. The workload on the day will be whatever has to go.

RM have been clear that no second class is to be delivered on Saturdays whether it arrives at the DO or not on the Friday or the Saturday

What’s not to understand about that? They have been clear from the outset

The due mail for that day will be part of the workload. It could be anything. Then include all the other tasks. The idea that it will simply be two products is nonsense and the CWU know it.

The only "due" mail will be 1c including Articles for the Blind plus NHS letters along with Tracked and Specials, nothing else will delivered, if a postie is covering two duties they wouldn't have the time to deliver anything else anyway.

It won't be. As Space Phoenix has pointed out the DTS will be workload when it reaches it's limit. The agreement states that there is a DSA +3 which regulated. There is still a regulated delivery span for all items. The very idea that a 2C letter that has reached it's regulated time limit won't be part of the workload is untrue. Then add all the other tasks. Again the agreement states 2C mail will be collected on Saturdays.

[tramssirhc]

The trial method for CSS is for 1C and 2C to be run together on both waves, with the DTS releasing any 2C where there's a 1C item for a DP, any 2C that has hit the time limit and any 2C where other 2C is being released for the same DP. Wave 1 is sequenced, wave 2 is walk sort. Any wave 2 up until a certain time goes to the CSS machines, anything after that gets run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM.

Any 1C which arrives for wave 2 that hasn't been through an iLSM or IMP before has go be run on the basic office breakdown plan on the iLSM as without the data encoded into the orange barcodes the CSS machines chuck it out to the deferred.

We've been running the trial method for months, before we did we'd average about 30% of mail being deferred, now it's about 50%. The volume of deferred is determined by when the DSA arrives at the MC.

What point are you trying to make, as it doesn't matter what arrives in a DO as if it's only a 1c deliver day then any 2c which arrives won't be delivered.

If for some bizarre reason the company decides 1c & 2c needs to be delivered on a 1c day under DM26 then they are going to have to make the duties shorter so it can all be delivered, or just accept mail will be brought back.

People have been saying that the 1C doesn't get run on wave 1 when it does. We don't give a s**t what DOs attempt to deliver, we've done our bit, if the DOs fail it, it's their problem.

Look you know what you're talking about. Its the CWU that isn't being up front.

[SpacePhoenix]

The agreement states that there is a DSA +3 which regulated. There is still a regulated delivery span for all items. The very idea that a 2C letter that has reached it's regulated time limit won't be part of the workload is untrue. Then add all the other tasks. Again the agreement states 2C mail will be collected on Saturdays.

There are currently 4 types of DSA:

• DSA 1C
  DSA +2
  DSA +3
  DSA +5

[yellowbelly]

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

[funkflex55]

The agreement states that there is a DSA +3 which regulated. There is still a regulated delivery span for all items. The very idea that a 2C letter that has reached it's regulated time limit won't be part of the workload is untrue. Then add all the other tasks. Again the agreement states 2C mail will be collected on Saturdays.

There are currently 4 types of DSA:

• DSA 1C
  DSA +2
  DSA +3
  DSA +5

Does this mean that when the new shitshow26 starts that due to way the mail is delayed especially when it's not going from say a Thursday until the following Monday that certain DSA products will end up failing to hit the paid for spec? Have RM even considered this. (Not a question as we know the answer)

[Perseus]

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

Don't think so, but what is that in numbers terms - about 1 in 4 offices?

[claretandblue]

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

Don't think so, but what is that in numbers terms - about 1 in 4 offices?

Isn't there around 1250 ?

[ted_e_bear]

Has the list of the next 240 offices to undertake the trial/heavy and light/ODM26 (whatever you want to call it) been published?

Don't think so, but what is that in numbers terms - about 1 in 4 offices?

Isn't there around 1250 ?

Yeah think they said after the next 240 it would be rolled out nationally to all 1200, or something like that.

[Thommo44]

There isn't any first class in the sequenced.

Absolutely 100% true. Haven't seen any 1c in sequenced for absolutely months. With exception of yesterday with election postal votes coming through in sequenced.

We have first class mail mixed in the mech every day, ours comes from the North West Midlands Mail centre. Every time you take a tray from the two weeks of mail that hasn’t been prepared you will find a dozen in every tray

[Thommo44]

Seen this on Facebook, explains it a bit better.

What about the town rounds with 16 loop?