Dispatches Ch4:Your views

[mancpat]

Why don't you read the thread - or is that too contradictory to your half arsed, half baked & half witted conclusions.....how would you like it if I said something equally dumb, like "Bloody northern monkeys....screwing up this job cos you ain't go no back bone, and surrender as soon as RM tell you to do something?" I might as well....cos if you bothered to spend anytime reading this ( or any ) thread, you'd learn that many southern offices ( in Kent, Essex, Herts, Middx, Hants, E & W Sussex, Surrey, London, Bucks, etc, etc )work just as hard as anywhere else, also the two offices featured had been in the thick of last year's EA and ensuring stirkes, and a lot of people felt so abused by RM, they were in no frame of mind to do more than they had to....finally ( and most tellingly ) compare Dispatches with Panorama...

1: Location - Two offices in South London vs one office in South London ( with RMs blessing ) and a postie in the Midlands IIRC giving his view, out on his walk
2: People interviewed - Paul Tolson of RM in addition to a serving OPG away from management vs three people all of whom have a vested interest in RM getting privatised
3: Slant of journalism - "We've heard that posties are being told to do what is not possible....is this true?" vs "We think we've heard that posties are lazy with bad practices.....can we prove it?"

Finally mancpat, posties like you drag the rest of the union down ( but maybe that doesn't bother you if your sub money goes to the CMA )

PS, mancpat, IIRC it was London posties that went out a f*ck of a long time before Manchester did......so maybe you should stick your northern prejudice, and concentrate on supporting all OPGs, supporting your union, and asking more can you do!

I have read the thread thank you very much.

As for your union point, i pay me fees and don't drag the union down at all.

The union are getting involved in pointless arguments over and over again, normally starting from you southerners who wont get on with your job.

If royal mail was split down the middle between north and south i'd argue we'd have a healthy company up north and you lot would still be arguing over how much the coffee machine is down there.

The union were a great help leading up to xmas, forcing me to lose 3 days pay over a strike which was mainly over you lot down there.

[mancpat]

thats it lads,lets just keep ripping into each other,ffs.Managment must be pissing themselves reading this thread.Whats the phrase - divide and conquer i think?

I know I wrote the rules about not calling people with different views managers, but sometimes I think some are so blatant about it without actually saying what they are, that they look like they were planted by RM HQ.

Just because i don't agree with what people say doesn't mean i work for management.

Some of us take pride in where we work and our jobs, in a time when alot of people would give their right arm for any of our jobs.

That is a very ignorant statement you made, simply cos i don't follow the status quo.

[mancpat]

Now we know why RM need to make so many cuts at DOs around the country, its to fund 30 hours xmas SA in London, we got sod all !

Exactly, we got nothing up here!

[mancpat]

Seeing as mancpat has just joined I had a quick butcher's at his previous posts....apart from those above, he likes the idea of later Saturdays ( so his office will be clear and Mondays might be lighter ) and in response to someone falling off their bike, which resulted in a fractured arm needing surgery he said this

I'd learn to ride a bike properly tbh

No wonder they're taking our bikes off us when people are falling off them with nobody around

RM compassion in action ( his posts http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 8&sr=posts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

LEAVE THIS DIM TROLL ALONE!!!

And whats your point to that. Last time i fell off a bike with nobody around i was 7 and took my stabilisers off for the first time. I'm not happy about having to lose my post bike and i'm sure the amount of numpties falling off them and then putting in a claim hasn't helped at all.

You should work for IB you, with investigative skills like that.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

thats it lads,lets just keep ripping into each other,ffs.Managment must be pissing themselves reading this thread.Whats the phrase - divide and conquer i think?

I know I wrote the rules about not calling people with different views managers, but sometimes I think some are so blatant about it without actually saying what they are, that they look like they were planted by RM HQ.

Just because i don't agree with what people say doesn't mean i work for management.

Some of us take pride in where we work and our jobs, in a time when alot of people would give their right arm for any of our jobs.

That is a very ignorant statement you made, simply cos i don't follow the status quo.

Please re-read the post I did not call you a Manager and have no intention of doing so. Even if I knew without a shadow of a doubt that you were a manager (and I don't), that would be breaking a cardinal rule for the Administrators on this forum about privacy and divulging information we are privy to.

I was actually responding to someone else post and you, incorrectly thought I was aiming the comment at you.

[mancpat]

thats it lads,lets just keep ripping into each other,ffs.Managment must be pissing themselves reading this thread.Whats the phrase - divide and conquer i think?

I know I wrote the rules about not calling people with different views managers, but sometimes I think some are so blatant about it without actually saying what they are, that they look like they were planted by RM HQ.

Just because i don't agree with what people say doesn't mean i work for management.

Some of us take pride in where we work and our jobs, in a time when alot of people would give their right arm for any of our jobs.

That is a very ignorant statement you made, simply cos i don't follow the status quo.

Please re-read the post I did not call you a Manager and have no intention of doing so. Even if I knew without a shadow of a doubt that you were a manager (and I don't), that would be breaking a cardinal rule for the Administrators on this forum about privacy and divulging information we are privy to.

I was actually responding to someone else post and you, incorrectly thought I was aiming the comment at you.

Inadvertently i thought it was aimed at me as the post above was aimed at my flurry of replies.

However if it wasn't i apologise

[smokerjim]

Why don't you read the thread - or is that too contradictory to your half arsed, half baked & half witted conclusions.....how would you like it if I said something equally dumb, like "Bloody northern monkeys....screwing up this job cos you ain't go no back bone, and surrender as soon as RM tell you to do something?" I might as well....cos if you bothered to spend anytime reading this ( or any ) thread, you'd learn that many southern offices ( in Kent, Essex, Herts, Middx, Hants, E & W Sussex, Surrey, London, Bucks, etc, etc )work just as hard as anywhere else, also the two offices featured had been in the thick of last year's EA and ensuring stirkes, and a lot of people felt so abused by RM, they were in no frame of mind to do more than they had to....finally ( and most tellingly ) compare Dispatches with Panorama...

1: Location - Two offices in South London vs one office in South London ( with RMs blessing ) and a postie in the Midlands IIRC giving his view, out on his walk
2: People interviewed - Paul Tolson of RM in addition to a serving OPG away from management vs three people all of whom have a vested interest in RM getting privatised
3: Slant of journalism - "We've heard that posties are being told to do what is not possible....is this true?" vs "We think we've heard that posties are lazy with bad practices.....can we prove it?"

Finally mancpat, posties like you drag the rest of the union down ( but maybe that doesn't bother you if your sub money goes to the CMA )

PS, mancpat, IIRC it was London posties that went out a f*ck of a long time before Manchester did......so maybe you should stick your northern prejudice, and concentrate on supporting all OPGs, supporting your union, and asking more can you do!

I have read the thread thank you very much.

As for your union point, i pay me fees and don't drag the union down at all.

The union are getting involved in pointless arguments over and over again, normally starting from you southerners who wont get on with your job.

If royal mail was split down the middle between north and south i'd argue we'd have a healthy company up north and you lot would still be arguing over how much the coffee machine is down there.

The union were a great help leading up to xmas, forcing me to lose 3 days pay over a strike which was mainly over you lot down there.

Try checking your info before you make sweeping generalisations - then they might actually look credible.....I live in Swanley ( BR8 postcode ) and I work in Sevenoaks ( TN13 ) both areas part of Sevenoaks District Council - which has never been part of London ( it's like saying you live or work in Liverpool or Preston )

London posties lost 20 days pay just to get RM to consider negotiating - without London last year, we would ALL be getting the shaft at work, and butkiss in return.

I highlighted your first post, simply because most people either introduce themselves and settle in gently, or have a problem and ask for advice - they don't laugh and make a joke over someone's deep misfortune.....if that's your idea of humour, you are a very sick, dark minded individual, and maybe you should call HELP, and ask them for counselling.

[dvbuk55]

London posties lost 20 days pay just to get RM to consider negotiating - without on last year, we would ALL be getting the shaft at work, and butkiss in return.

To say nothing of those other offices who apart from taking industrial action, there was also 500 delivery offices with outstanding ballots, NOT cleared by HQ. If Londoners had any humility whatsoever they would stop trumpeting how successful they had been in getting RM to the table and accept that without the National Ballot they could well have been on 40 days strike without any result.

[mancpat]

Why don't you read the thread - or is that too contradictory to your half arsed, half baked & half witted conclusions.....how would you like it if I said something equally dumb, like "Bloody northern monkeys....screwing up this job cos you ain't go no back bone, and surrender as soon as RM tell you to do something?" I might as well....cos if you bothered to spend anytime reading this ( or any ) thread, you'd learn that many southern offices ( in Kent, Essex, Herts, Middx, Hants, E & W Sussex, Surrey, London, Bucks, etc, etc )work just as hard as anywhere else, also the two offices featured had been in the thick of last year's EA and ensuring stirkes, and a lot of people felt so abused by RM, they were in no frame of mind to do more than they had to....finally ( and most tellingly ) compare Dispatches with Panorama...

1: Location - Two offices in South London vs one office in South London ( with RMs blessing ) and a postie in the Midlands IIRC giving his view, out on his walk
2: People interviewed - Paul Tolson of RM in addition to a serving OPG away from management vs three people all of whom have a vested interest in RM getting privatised
3: Slant of journalism - "We've heard that posties are being told to do what is not possible....is this true?" vs "We think we've heard that posties are lazy with bad practices.....can we prove it?"

Finally mancpat, posties like you drag the rest of the union down ( but maybe that doesn't bother you if your sub money goes to the CMA )

PS, mancpat, IIRC it was London posties that went out a f*ck of a long time before Manchester did......so maybe you should stick your northern prejudice, and concentrate on supporting all OPGs, supporting your union, and asking more can you do!

I have read the thread thank you very much.

As for your union point, i pay me fees and don't drag the union down at all.

The union are getting involved in pointless arguments over and over again, normally starting from you southerners who wont get on with your job.

If royal mail was split down the middle between north and south i'd argue we'd have a healthy company up north and you lot would still be arguing over how much the coffee machine is down there.

The union were a great help leading up to xmas, forcing me to lose 3 days pay over a strike which was mainly over you lot down there.

Try checking your info before you make sweeping generalisations - then they might actually look credible.....I live in Swanley ( BR8 postcode ) and I work in Sevenoaks ( TN13 ) both areas part of Sevenoaks District Council - which has never been part of London ( it's like saying you live or work in Liverpool or Preston )

London posties lost 20 days pay just to get RM to consider negotiating - without London last year, we would ALL be getting the shaft at work, and butkiss in return.

I highlighted your first post, simply because most people either introduce themselves and settle in gently, or have a problem and ask for advice - they don't laugh and make a joke over someone's deep misfortune.....if that's your idea of humour, you are a very sick, dark minded individual, and maybe you should call HELP, and ask them for counselling.

I've not mentioned london posties, i said southerners.

And royal mail wouldn't be shafting me if it wasn't for a strike.

I work 8 hours a day then finish if i finish early its a bonus. The problem is too many people are used to not working the full shift and think they are being shafted now they do. I'm 'middle aged' so no spring chicken, but i've moved with the times, unlike alot of others.

When people do move with the times and ignore the size of your walk and concentrate and walking your normal pace, that you've done for years and then finish on time we wouldn't be in this problem. Too many dinosaurs in Royal Mail now.

[DirtyHarry]

It's programmes like this that wind me.

Typical of the southerners bringing us all down to their level. Up here we just get on with the job, we're grateful to be on 5 days, let alone 4. It wasn't that long ago we were on 6 days!

I've had another week of hearing from customers how bad we are, due to the lazy southern postmen and their bad practices and bad management.

You bring the rest of us down

How do you get to see any customers when sitting on your ass in your office while drinking gallons of coffee and watching porno on your computer?
Not SuperDIM, are you?

You've lost me on that one.

Just as I suspected.

[Martin Walsh]

London posties lost 20 days pay just to get RM to consider negotiating - without on last year, we would ALL be getting the shaft at work, and butkiss in return.

To say nothing of those other offices who apart from taking industrial action, there was also 500 delivery offices with outstanding ballots, NOT cleared by HQ. If Londoners had any humility whatsoever they would stop trumpeting how successful they had been in getting RM to the table and accept that without the National Ballot they could well have been on 40 days strike without any result.

Dvbuk you have selective memory I have always stated that places like the East Coast of Scotland , Plymouth , Bristol , Peterborough , the network sites , and others all can hold their heads high as they decided to stand up and fight rather than let Royal Mail impose change on their office without doing anything about it. The reason I have said about London is because I come from London and I think everyone excepts that we had 12 thousand people out on strike action 20 times. For the record the national talks started in July 3 months before the national ballot.

Dvbuk tell me did your office fight when Royal mail imposed change or did you wait for the national ballot ??

[DirtyHarry]

Now we know why RM need to make so many cuts at DOs around the country, its to fund 30 hours xmas SA in London, we got sod all !

Look mate, I know there's a few thick 'uns up north, as there is down here, but the majority do have their wits about them, and hoping you'll split Britain's postal workers in to two warring factions, won't work. It didn't last time, and even with Channel Four's help, you'll fail again.
What is it about Royal Mail's monumentally stupid management, and their complete inability to stop themselves from pissing in the wind?
Can they really be that dense?

[baldrick]

What is it about Royal Mail's monumentally stupid management, and their complete inability to stop themselves from pissing in the wind?
Can they really be that dense?

I thought that was the requisite qualification for an RM manager.

[DirtyHarry]

What is it about Royal Mail's monumentally stupid management, and their complete inability to stop themselves from pissing in the wind?
Can they really be that dense?

I thought that was the requisite qualification for an RM manager.

So it is ! My memory isn't what it once was, or ever had been.

[wolfie citizen smith]

Shame on you London Posties letting yourselves be exposed like that you must be taking the weighting part of London literally

Steady on Wolfie,



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As it was on tv it must be true, you lot have it easy!

Did you know how much I had to go through to get Freedom for Tooting brother and one Ch4 program cocks up all that I worked for