LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[Madnikdog]

Also if we just take 1C and packets Saturday that means every Monday and Tuesday we will have triple mail.

[Playmail]

We currently do this on a Saturday and monday

[Neverwasadoor]

Why would we lie ?

We don’t get 1st Class in the sequenced, it’s kept out and comes in on the second wave. They sometimes have bulk 1st Class postings like the postal votes and will do that on wave 1 but they tell us.

[claretandblue]

Why would we lie ?

We don’t get 1st Class in the sequenced, it’s kept out and comes in on the second wave. They sometimes have bulk 1st Class postings like the postal votes and will do that on wave 1 but they tell us.

Same here.

[steve1873]

There isn't any first class in the sequenced.

Absolutely 100% true. Haven't seen any 1c in sequenced for absolutely months. With exception of yesterday with election postal votes coming through in sequenced.

[steve1873]

Why would we lie ?

We don’t get 1st Class in the sequenced, it’s kept out and comes in on the second wave. They sometimes have bulk 1st Class postings like the postal votes and will do that on wave 1 but they tell us.

This is 100% the case. 1c does not come in the sequenced any more as a general rule. I have no idea if that is the case nationally, but in our DO in Central Scotland that has been the case for months.

[SpacePhoenix]

Wave 1 is the 1C and 2C that has been posted within the area covered by the MC. Wave 2 is the 1C and 2C that has entered the MC for DOs covered by the MC, from other MCs. For both waves the 1C and 2C is run together with the DTS system deciding what is due for delivery. If it's been released by the DTS then it's due for delivery, plain and simple. If the DO fails to deliver it, it's not a MC problem, it's a DO failure, plain and simple.

Both waves will have 1C and 2C stamp, PPI, meters and mailsort. Wave 1 will also have DSA 1C and 2C.

[Rve83ndxd]

There isn't any first class in the sequenced.

Absolutely 100% true. Haven't seen any 1c in sequenced for absolutely months. With exception of yesterday with election postal votes coming through in sequenced.

And the yorks only have large or small packets in them.

[Mesque1899]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

I dont think that you have any understanding about how DOs work

You don't have any understanding of how the DTS system works

I do

You dont seem to grasp that just because it’s been released to the DO doesnt mean it will be delivered on the Saturday

There will be no second class being delivered even when or if it’s sent from the MC to the DO - how many times does it need to be said to you?

I don't give a s**t whether the DOs will attempt delivery of any 2C released by the DTS system, which only releases stuff when it's due for delivery, anything not delivered when released by the DTS is a DO failure, plain and simple. If you don't want to attempt to deliver 2C on a Saturday, you'll have to go through the sequenced to extract any 1C in it.

Anyone who claims that there is never any 1C in the wave 1 sequenced is a liar.

I get 1c in sequenced everyday

[steve1873]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

Keeping 1c separate makes far more sense than combining it in a full tray of 2c?

Additionally I can't recall any suggestions by RM that 1c & 2c will both be delivered to addresses on 1c delivery days i.e. Saturdays.

I don't think that RM or the union have any understanding about how either MCs or DOs work.

I dont think that you have any understanding about how DOs work

You don't have any understanding of how the DTS system works

I do

You dont seem to grasp that just because it’s been released to the DO doesnt mean it will be delivered on the Saturday

There will be no second class being delivered even when or if it’s sent from the MC to the DO - how many times does it need to be said to you?

I don't give a s**t whether the DOs will attempt delivery of any 2C released by the DTS system, which only releases stuff when it's due for delivery, anything not delivered when released by the DTS is a DO failure, plain and simple. If you don't want to attempt to deliver 2C on a Saturday, you'll have to go through the sequenced to extract any 1C in it.

Anyone who claims that there is never any 1C in the wave 1 sequenced is a liar.

I get 1c in sequenced everyday

Well it would appear different mail centres are presenting the work to delivery offices differently.

Could it be that mail centres that are feeding a y of the trial offices are presenting work with 1c and 2c/ dsa separated?

[Wheres_Zorba]

Ever since we became a trial office in Scotland there has been no 1st class in the sequenced trays. It comes in it's own bundle in wave 2.

[funkflex55]

So it looks like HCT and rural will become the best duty. You get to only do half the frame fully each day albeit with 2/3 days mail and obviously the other half tracked, first class, specials, collections and boxes. And then you can have a coffee and then get back too late to help out on the walks that now have 17 days mail on them as the workload is too much. Great!

Sorry for being thick, and having to go over this again. But does the driver/singleton do half of a full duty and then all of the 1st and parcels on the other half And for the other walk they are covering (so 1 and half walks)?

It looks like they do 1 and a bit. As in of their one walk they'll do half fully and half first class and tracked. In the time they save they can then help out as required on the walks that are struggling.
I'm pretty sure that's it but not 100 percent.

[Mesque1899]

Ever since we became a trial office in Scotland there has been no 1st class in the sequenced trays. It comes in it's own bundle in wave 2.

We will get a few of 1c in sequenced on wave 1 then wave 2 comes in after 8 the 1c is in its on bundle

[claretandblue]

We are fed by Preston, Preston South is a trail office.

[goneaway]

There is the odd one or two first class items in the sequenced trays at our delivery office, maybe just missorts, but they are definitely the exception to the rule. The vast majority of first class items arrive in the second wave manually and we have trays of first class letters with white labels with green stripes in the tray insert, which indicate they are first class. But as far as I know, the IPS sorters just sort them into the normal IPS frames and don't keep them separate! Which is daft, as managers want you to extract first class to take out if part of the delivery is being left behind in the frame, because it's not going out that day.