Dispatches Ch4:Your views

[dvbuk55]

RM did go for London first , they wanted it all over in Summer , thinking if they had London , the rest of the UK would follow suit .

Could you qualify that statement Norbert? RM went for London first in what respect?

[norbert]

RM did go for London first , they wanted it all over in Summer , thinking if they had London , the rest of the UK would follow suit .

Could you qualify that statement Norbert? RM went for London first in what respect?

I meant RM's Senior / Executive Management would want London as a scalp , if RM had London as a scalp in the summer , they'd think areas outside would be reluctant to give them any problems

Personally as per usual , I think RM's arrogance backfired on them and had a misguided belief ......again they could command and control everything .

A lot of mail for the Home Counties would go through London .

RM have consistently tried to play staff up against London in their propaganda , then they changed tact a bit and said the dispute was led by "militant" areas like Bristol and Glasgow too .

Most Senior / Executive Managers are pro privatisation , Mandy brought out the Privatisation Bill out in February 2009 , there would be a lot of pressure from very on high , the likes of TNT have a paranoid anxiety about the CWU . Try applying for a job with a parcels firm , they don't like ex RM staff .

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I am sorry to say this but I am disappointed by a some of the posts on this thread especially the ones that have not questioned the biais of the Dispatches Producers. I always thought that the "TV generation" was a misnomer put out by people trying to make a point. However, when I see posts on here criticising posties that appeared for only a few minutes at most, and therefore in no way could it be considered a complete review of the whole discussion, only a snippet edited for impact, yet some have swallowed it without question.

Come on people don't be passive and just sit their absorb what they want you to, instead if a subject interests you so much you have to make a comment on it, then do yourselves a justice and investigate it further. Never accept anything at face value, question everything and comment from knowledge not supposition.

"Welcome, not to the TV Generation, but the MacTv Generation."

[westlondonpostie]

Shame on you London Posties letting yourselves be exposed like that you must be taking the weighting part of London literally

Steady on Wolfie,
You saw bits of life in 2 Offices in London and decided were all lazy f***ers,
Saw this on telly the other day about a rural postman all he has is a few packets and couple of letters a day with the occasional special delivery and I'm reliably told he also has the use of a helicopter as well for f**k sake!


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As it was on tv it must be true, you lot have it easy!

[norbert]

they tried this with Kirkby , Liverpool which apparently is legendary , last time , it's just reinforcing prejudices and stereotypes .

They must be tipped off about places , but their approach is so one dimensional , there's no depth or anyalsis whatsoever .

It is very nasty how the right wing media operate , wrong Dave Ward , wrong everything in The Sun + The Spanish Practices when Crozier was taking a pasting over his salary & bonuses , look at BA & BASRA , Walsh warned that things would get nasty with a strike , Facebook groups , sham unions , unrelenting propaganda in the likes of The Daily Mail etc , etc .

There's people that won't be happy until all Media is like Fox News / CNN in the States .

[dvbuk55]

RM did go for London first , they wanted it all over in Summer , thinking if they had London , the rest of the UK would follow suit .

Could you qualify that statement Norbert? RM went for London first in what respect?

I meant RM's Senior / Executive Management would want London as a scalp , if RM had London as a scalp in the summer , they'd think areas outside would be reluctant to give them any problems

Personally as per usual , I think RM's arrogance backfired on them and had a misguided belief ......again they could command and control everything .

A lot of mail for the Home Counties would go through London .

RM have consistently tried to play staff up against London in their propaganda , then they changed tact a bit and said the dispute was led by "militant" areas like Bristol and Glasgow too .

Most Senior / Executive Managers are pro privatisation , Mandy brought out the Privatisation Bill out in February 2009 , there would be a lot of pressure from very on high , the likes of TNT have a paranoid anxiety about the CWU . Try applying for a job with a parcels firm , they don't like ex RM staff .

What would be a scalp exactly? The imposition of change? What has privatisation got to do with London. There is an arrogance about the dealings with London that is truly annoying to those of us outside of London.

London is NOT the centre of the universe - without the National vote and the support from outside London they would have been picked off. It was because change had been imposed nationwide and there was a feeling of alienation towards Royal Mail that the vote was successful.

Outside of London we have experienced a great deal of change much of it by executive action and what we would like is reward for the changes and an agreement that will ensure that change is brought about by consent. Where there is disagreement we would like to see some support from the union.

[BELIAL]

Can't see what all the fuss is about, not even third rate 'investigative' reporting. The journo's had obviously failed to do any background research or familiarisation and a lot of their assumptions were incorrect as a result. They had a brief to fill their 60min slot and they went looking for what they needed, hardly objective or scientific, just pulling plums.
Thing that struck me most was how incredibly inept the management appeared, looked like the whole management process was in complete meltdown.

I did like the SA negotiations though . What I wouldn't give to have that rep doing our national pay talks and with the management displaying their customary command of numeracy.
"You get 14 hrs SA for Xmas"
"bollocks, double it!'
"what!"
"30hrs SA or stick it"
" Let's split the difference"
"Ok , 29 hrs "
"Done"

[pony]

Looked like an office that was getting hassled and had too big walks but at the same time was swinging the lead a bit.
Many looked like they didn't want to be there or even try.
May have come across different to how it is but they came across as a bit too militant and not willing to do a fair days work.
Just how it looked so don't shoot me :) When people come back after 30 mins and don't even try and deliver it doesn't come across good.
It seemed they had too much work for an 8 hour day but would have made too much time doing a 10.Maybe many walks need a rejig at those places.

[DirtyHarry]

Im in the west of the east of england and my D.O only got 1 hour on SA rate for xmas overtime which was to be performed in the 1 hour period immediatley preceeding the duty start time. This was from Monday 14th December onwards.

I'm from a London office, we got diddly squat in overtime during the xmas pressure, not even a minute at SA rate, zilch. You northerners don't know you're born!

Northerner?


Plenty of London in me, plenty of northener and plenty of everywhere else in me

100% british mongrel I am, the best of what England, Wales and Scotland has to offer

I can sense a name change coming on

[DirtyHarry]

what about the guy coming back in after 20mins claiming the streets were too dangerous. he should try delivering in scotland. our posties did not miss one delivery . lightweight

Yeah, I read the, "didn't our people do well, delivering tons of shyte in treacherous/dangerous conditions", article in that rag the Courier.
What did you get by way of a reward for your exceptional efforts?
Wasn't a free bun in the canteen, was it?

[Big Daz]

It seemed they had too much work for an 8 hour day but would have made too much time doing a 10.Maybe many walks need a rejig at those places.

If we were to take the above as being the case, it still works out in our favour as it shows RM planning to be faulty in that they thought 2 hours less a day was fine when in reality it was less than 2 hours to be taken off the working day.

To simply switch back to the 5 day week/8 hour day without any detailed planning is incompetent at best and sinister at worst!!

[smokerjim]

what about the guy coming back in after 20mins claiming the streets were too dangerous. he should try delivering in scotland. our posties did not miss one delivery . lightweight

Yeah, I read the, "didn't our people do well, delivering tons of shyte in treacherous/dangerous conditions", article in that rag the Courier.
What did you get by way of a reward for your exceptional efforts?
Wasn't a free bun in the canteen, was it?

Can't speak for everyone at Sevenoaks, ( especially as I spent the first 2 days of snow at Swanley ) but I got the square root of jack all from RM, and yeah, it's nice to get thanks somehow ( even if it is in the monthly rag ) but the enjoyment is reduced when RM is giving the thanks one minute and tearing me a new one the next.

[mancpat]

It's programmes like this that wind me.

Typical of the southerners bringing us all down to their level. Up here we just get on with the job, we're grateful to be on 5 days, let alone 4. It wasn't that long ago we were on 6 days!

I've had another week of hearing from customers how bad we are, due to the lazy southern postmen and their bad practices and bad management.

You bring the rest of us down

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I am sorry to say this but I am disappointed by a some of the posts on this thread especially the ones that have not questioned the bias of the Dispatches Producers. I always thought that the "TV generation" was a misnomer put out by people trying to make a point. However, when I see posts on here criticising posties that appeared for only a few minutes at most, and therefore in no way could it be considered a complete review of the whole discussion, only a snippet edited for impact, yet some have swallowed it without question.

Come on people don't be passive and just sit there absorb what they want you to, instead if a subject interests you so much you have to make a comment on it, then do yourselves a justice and investigate it further. Never accept anything at face value, question everything and comment from knowledge not supposition.

"Welcome, not to the TV Generation, but the MacTv Generation."

[DirtyHarry]

what about the guy coming back in after 20mins claiming the streets were too dangerous. he should try delivering in scotland. our posties did not miss one delivery . lightweight

Yeah, I read the, "didn't our people do well, delivering tons of shyte in treacherous/dangerous conditions", article in that rag the Courier.
What did you get by way of a reward for your exceptional efforts?
Wasn't a free bun in the canteen, was it?

Can't speak for everyone at Sevenoaks, ( especially as I spent the first 2 days of snow at Swanley ) but I got the square root of jack all from RM, and yeah, it's nice to get thanks somehow ( even if it is in the monthly rag ) but the enjoyment is reduced when RM is giving the thanks one minute and tearing me a new one the next.

I learned a long time ago, Royal Mail management are a lying, duplicitous, bunch of w*****s, they get the bare minimum from me, nothing more, nothing less.