Why I will be crossing the picket line.

[DirtyHarry]

After reading both ogg and justin times post i for one was prepared to strike but justin times rather pathetic and short winded argument and the argument ogg has put over ( it is exactly like my office) makes me think about going in on fri. And for the record, its not my bedtime and the only shaking under my sheets will be me and the wife

Oh, yeah? And is he a DIM as well, your, errr, wife?

[justin time]

hmmm how times have changed boygeorge has now got a wife! ...if thats you`re feeble excuse for wanting to go to work then go in how very very sad!

[Turpin]

Nice one ogg you tell your grandkids to get walked over and dont stick up for themselves dont enjoy the frienedship of people willing to stand side by side to fight a cause.
Love it we will end up with MP's handing our rights over to europe with greedy bosses gaining Produtivity bonus after bonus telling the public the purse is empty.
OOOps already there.
The buisness promotes a round about figure of a million a day profit, and our pension is up the spout, and we have to work harder for less.
Ogg I wont post abuse thats not my thing, you have your point of view and others have theres best of luck with the up coming action, I like you hope it can be avoided I really mean that. But if it is not I will be there showing my discontent with the whole situation. Top To Bottom. The whole situation is regretful and could so easily be avoided on both parts.

[dvbuk55]

After reading both ogg and justin times post i for one was prepared to strike but justin times rather pathetic and short winded argument and the argument ogg has put over ( it is exactly like my office) makes me think about going in on fri. And for the record, its not my bedtime and the only shaking under my sheets will be me and the wife

So the rumours aren't true then Georgie?

[BoyGeorge]

Oh no not true

[padraig1965]

'What did you do during the great strike of 2009 Granddad?' 'I went in and earned some money during a recession my boy!'.

Christ almighty, thank God I'll be telling my grandchildren something that'll make them proud of me, rather than, "I scabbed," which is in effect what you'll be telling your grandson.

That is spot on my bairn would not understand(he kens more union songs than me)aye he wants to come on the picket line with his dad.

[justin time]

hope it is you`re wife boygeorge,you remember the last time something like this happened,you will end up cleaning the streets again instead of walking them!

[HESS]

Just to put all you strike-breakers to shame.....I organised our picket-line this morning..!! We ALL(100%) do 2hr stints through the day(some of us stay longer)....and PROUD to say we've got the WHOLE 24hrs covered...!!! Lets the town know we back the National campaign...!!! AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE TELLING MY GRANDCHILDREN....!!!!

[justin time]

nice one hess

[BELIAL]

The death of self respect ,the withering of the soul the loss of basic humanity,reduced to a cowering worthless supine apology of a man,a betrayer and turncoat never to be trusted and on and on until their dying day ,with no diminution over time. Sounds like a fate worse than death to me,to always have that stain that none will forget ,least of all themselves.
Just look them in the eye and see what happens, you know its true,can't imagine how they live with it

Well, after fighting the urge to respond to numerous comments throughout it's the above that takes the p*ss as far as I'm concerned. Please, for your own sake and for those whose stance is one of single minded militancy...open your eyes, wake up and get a grip! Do you know (as a few have commented upon) I was literally torn between supporting the strike as I always have done or succumbing to financial reality...and let's be honest here, 'our' so called excuse of 'not being able to afford it' is a valid one in this day and age and for all of your Neanderthal chest beating financial pressure probably motivates the majority of us 'strike breakers'.
My dom offered a day off (sickness, short staffed again) so I was quite prepared to support the strike after all (please do not insult my intelligence by suggesting otherwise as I have discussed this at length at work) but after the response here I am almost tempted to go in just to prove a point and you wait, the diatribe will continue despite any words I have to say.

So what do I find after what I thought to be an open honest and articulate confession regarding my difficulty with my decision to cross the picket line...nothing but abuse of the worse kind and the lowest common detonator thinking known to man. Apparently I'm a c*nt, probably a spy because I used the word colleague instead of workmate, a scab of course and an object of shame and ridicule to my grandchildren even..! Well, I attempted to discuss the issue with them over the weekend and they don't seem to mind too much, but then again they're only four and one.
I expected a constructive argument not childish name calling but in retrospect just what was I thinking?

As an ex rep with at least some knowledge of the business I tell you now we are f*cked if we strike or not...don't you realise this? and please think this time before replying. In all honesty did the 2007 strikes benefit us in any way? Of course, we played ourselves straight into RM's hands with the simple bribe of four hundred quid to keep us workers ants happy for a short spell. Have you already forgotten that it was the union that agreed to modernisaion and flexibility on our behalf? Thus dropping us in the mess we currently find ourselves in. So we had SDD and job and finish at that, everyone came in early and used their cars and of course that just wont do will it...and yes people were making time every day. Whilst I heartily disagree with the methods and workload we only have ourselves to blame and we all know it.

Take my office for example and I dare say the majority of you recognize the current situation. We still have people coming in up to an hour early every day, we still have people donning trainers to run through their delivery AND coming back to the office early every day. We have a ten hour rural who does this and finishes before us eight hour rurals...is it any wonder the business believes that time is being made? We have posties who go like f*ck when prepping their own frames but oh so slow when inward sorting is involved, we have many who will do anything to sneak back on to their frames when they should be sorting. I find it's the older experienced posties who are the most adverse to change and many still believe in the ethic of job and finish. I used to lead by example when I was a rep (and still do), come in bang on time, do the job properly, take a dinner break but I can assure you it's the minority that does this. When you have a significant number of the workforce ready for delivery up to an hour before the allotted time do you wonder why management might think there are hours to be saved? We are our own worst enemies and that's a fact.

The most important fact to consider is that times have changed, we have little public support and a union that clearly does not put our message across clearly enough. Add a recession and an unemployed apathetic population, well, it's not easy to work out that probably more posties will cross the picket line than ever before...and why do you think this is? Does the term 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' mean anything to anyone? Yes I supported the strike and would have voted yes if I'd received my ballot paper but I was personally hoping it would signal our intent to strike, thus forcing long awaited negotiations. What I certainly don't want to witness is a major loss of business and even more job cuts...which could easily happen.

And as for 'Belial', a dose of realty I think (and I did note the chuckle). I will tell you what response us 'strike breakers' will receive when the full workforce returns, exactly the same as in 07. A few words of banter, nothing more nothing less...after all some of us realise it's the present day. Oh and for the record at least half of our office will NOT be supportingthe strike.

It would be refreshing for some who have contributed to this thread to accept that it is 2009, it's not the 80's either and certainly any comments alluding to the great war are in my opinion deluded at best. For the uninitiated who dare to come here from the outside and read the ridiculous comment made here, just what opinion do you think they will form? So stick to your tabloid newspapers and your beer and your football and your monosybalic replies.

'What did you do during the great strike of 2009 Granddad?' 'I went in and earned some money during a recession my boy!'.

I did a long reply ,then came to my senses . Management Tosser 1st class( f**k me thats 30 mins typing,WHY )

[kay_thebigbird]

There is a postie that works in my office during strike days & he has been sent to Coventry, nobody speaks to him he is a senior man aswell, It makes me feel uncomfortable because he is a really nice bloke, it is such a shame he has ruined his working relationships with all his mates & for what a days pay,I know it 's really hard but it just is'nt worth it, working everyday with no mates.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

The death of self respect ,the withering of the soul the loss of basic humanity,reduced to a cowering worthless supine apology of a man,a betrayer and turncoat never to be trusted and on and on until their dying day ,with no diminution over time. Sounds like a fate worse than death to me,to always have that stain that none will forget ,least of all themselves.
Just look them in the eye and see what happens, you know its true,can't imagine how they live with it

Well, after fighting the urge to respond to numerous comments throughout it's the above that takes the p*ss as far as I'm concerned. Please, for your own sake and for those whose stance is one of single minded militancy...open your eyes, wake up and get a grip! Do you know (as a few have commented upon) I was literally torn between supporting the strike as I always have done or succumbing to financial reality...and let's be honest here, 'our' so called excuse of 'not being able to afford it' is a valid one in this day and age and for all of your Neanderthal chest beating financial pressure probably motivates the majority of us 'strike breakers'.
My dom offered a day off (sickness, short staffed again) so I was quite prepared to support the strike after all (please do not insult my intelligence by suggesting otherwise as I have discussed this at length at work) but after the response here I am almost tempted to go in just to prove a point and you wait, the diatribe will continue despite any words I have to say.

So what do I find after what I thought to be an open honest and articulate confession regarding my difficulty with my decision to cross the picket line...nothing but abuse of the worse kind and the lowest common detonator thinking known to man. Apparently I'm a c*nt, probably a spy because I used the word colleague instead of workmate, a scab of course and an object of shame and ridicule to my grandchildren even..! Well, I attempted to discuss the issue with them over the weekend and they don't seem to mind too much, but then again they're only four and one.
I expected a constructive argument not childish name calling but in retrospect just what was I thinking?

As an ex rep with at least some knowledge of the business I tell you now we are f*cked if we strike or not...don't you realise this? and please think this time before replying. In all honesty did the 2007 strikes benefit us in any way? Of course, we played ourselves straight into RM's hands with the simple bribe of four hundred quid to keep us workers ants happy for a short spell. Have you already forgotten that it was the union that agreed to modernisaion and flexibility on our behalf? Thus dropping us in the mess we currently find ourselves in. So we had SDD and job and finish at that, everyone came in early and used their cars and of course that just wont do will it...and yes people were making time every day. Whilst I heartily disagree with the methods and workload we only have ourselves to blame and we all know it.

Take my office for example and I dare say the majority of you recognize the current situation. We still have people coming in up to an hour early every day, we still have people donning trainers to run through their delivery AND coming back to the office early every day. We have a ten hour rural who does this and finishes before us eight hour rurals...is it any wonder the business believes that time is being made? We have posties who go like f*ck when prepping their own frames but oh so slow when inward sorting is involved, we have many who will do anything to sneak back on to their frames when they should be sorting. I find it's the older experienced posties who are the most adverse to change and many still believe in the ethic of job and finish. I used to lead by example when I was a rep (and still do), come in bang on time, do the job properly, take a dinner break but I can assure you it's the minority that does this. When you have a significant number of the workforce ready for delivery up to an hour before the allotted time do you wonder why management might think there are hours to be saved? We are our own worst enemies and that's a fact.

The most important fact to consider is that times have changed, we have little public support and a union that clearly does not put our message across clearly enough. Add a recession and an unemployed apathetic population, well, it's not easy to work out that probably more posties will cross the picket line than ever before...and why do you think this is? Does the term 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' mean anything to anyone? Yes I supported the strike and would have voted yes if I'd received my ballot paper but I was personally hoping it would signal our intent to strike, thus forcing long awaited negotiations. What I certainly don't want to witness is a major loss of business and even more job cuts...which could easily happen.

And as for 'Belial', a dose of realty I think (and I did note the chuckle). I will tell you what response us 'strike breakers' will receive when the full workforce returns, exactly the same as in 07. A few words of banter, nothing more nothing less...after all some of us realise it's the present day. Oh and for the record at least half of our office will NOT be supportingthe strike.

It would be refreshing for some who have contributed to this thread to accept that it is 2009, it's not the 80's either and certainly any comments alluding to the great war are in my opinion deluded at best. For the uninitiated who dare to come here from the outside and read the ridiculous comment made here, just what opinion do you think they will form? So stick to your tabloid newspapers and your beer and your football and your monosybalic replies.

'What did you do during the great strike of 2009 Granddad?' 'I went in and earned some money during a recession my boy!'.

I did a long reply ,then came to my senses . Management Tosser 1st class( f**k me thats 30 mins typing,WHY )

Spot on as ever BELIAL!

[collectionsarebest]

sorry but in my eyes, you work on a strike day you sign your 20 hour contract when you walk through the door and give up everything that the rest of us are fighting for, they want part timers so give it to the breakers.
us people who are fighting for our jobs will loss pay but nothing else, we will have our heads held high

[labbloke]

Plain and simple Ogg

[Ogg]

quote="DirtyHarry"]

'What did you do during the great strike of 2009 Granddad?' 'I went in and earned some money during a recession my boy!'.

Christ almighty, thank God I'll be telling my grandchildren something that'll make them proud of me, rather than, "I scabbed," which is in effect what you'll be telling your grandson.[/quote]

Do you honestly think that anyone would possibly give a f*ck in this day and age, you just don't get it do you? Moribund thinking time and time again from a majority who can do nothing else but quote the good old fashioned but seriously outdated union mantra. The whole union ethic means nothing to anymore to anymore, certainly not the general public. A scab? as if that has any relevance.

Just to put all you strike-breakers to shame.....I organised our picket-line this morning..!! We ALL(100%) do 2hr stints through the day(some of us stay longer)....and PROUD to say we've got the WHOLE 24hrs covered...!!! Lets the town know we back the National campaign...!!! AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE TELLING MY GRANDCHILDREN....!!!!

Hah! Been there, done that and even wore the t-shirt back in 2007 and there can't be many of us who can say that is there? Exactly the same for me, two hour stints, rotas and of course all down to my being a conscientious rep at the time..something to tell MY grandchildren. Four years I gave and in my office that has bought me a little understanding there I have to say. To shoot someone down for admitting they literally cannot afford to strike in this day and age is disgusting, especially in the spirit of so called discussion.