Pda actuals

Mick100 · Post by **Mick100** » 17 Jul 2019, 16:45

Everyone works at different speeds one guy I work with a spare we finish the loops more or less the same time the other guy my regular partner is 10 minutes plus a bag longer and he is the younger one add all this up say 9 bags and longer getting out in morning the pda actuals are useless

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 17 Jul 2019, 17:33

I think to be fair SP they'll use it as an excuse to close more MCs. You could actually look not too far down the line and see us left with not much more than 5 or 6 super hubs and 300-400 super DO/LAT hubs

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 17 Jul 2019, 17:53

SpacePhoenix wrote:
number one wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
number one wrote:Where are you dreaming all this up from? Managers can’t manage now, your proposals would require 1 manager for every 3/4 members of staff to keep an eye on them every minute of every day
No it doesn't, just needs one to look at the PDA data, or for the DOM to have a barcode which everyone has to scan back at the DO when they get back
Which will show the days before data, who is going to manage it day to day (live)
Scanning a barcode back at the DO can be done live. It also wouldn't take must of a change to the system for it to generate an alert when the PDA is back at the DO

In delivery offices we currently have a barcode outside the callers office to scan when we return from delivery to say we have emptied all the postboxes on our walks that are not emptied in the early evening. This is the scan that says you have finished your duty as far as RM is concerned.
It is possible for DOMs to access 'live' PDA data on the day to see where you are although in theory they are not meant to do this.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 17 Jul 2019, 18:37

It is possible for DOMs to access 'live' PDA data on the day to see where you are although in theory they are not meant to do this.

We've done it a couple of times to find lost PDAs, it's about the only thing the system is useful for from our point of view.

themailman · Post by **themailman** » 18 Jul 2019, 19:29

Question on PDA actuals - sorry if this has been covered.

Now, the unions stance on PDA actuals is that they can't be used in conduct cases - am in correct in saying this?

Say that someone scans a barcode away from where they are supposed to, back at the DO instead of out in the street, 2 doors away from where they are supposed to, in the van before driving to the address in question. The list goes on.

Anyways, can this be used against a person? Or is it union policy to not recognise the data in the case of a disciplinary?

Thanks.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 18 Jul 2019, 19:33

themailman wrote:Question on PDA actuals - sorry if this has been covered.

Now, the unions stance on PDA actuals is that they can't be used in conduct cases - am in correct in saying this?

Say that someone scans a barcode away from where they are supposed to, back at the DO instead of out in the street, 2 doors away from where they are supposed to, in the van before driving to the address in question. The list goes on.

Anyways, can this be used against a person? Or is it union policy to not recognise the data in the case of a disciplinary?

Thanks.

Can't be used directly but it it happens regular enough the DOM can look to see where, then go out and watch it happen. They've then got witness evidences which can be used

themailman · Post by **themailman** » 18 Jul 2019, 19:43

SpacePhoenix wrote:
themailman wrote:Question on PDA actuals - sorry if this has been covered.

Now, the unions stance on PDA actuals is that they can't be used in conduct cases - am in correct in saying this?

Say that someone scans a barcode away from where they are supposed to, back at the DO instead of out in the street, 2 doors away from where they are supposed to, in the van before driving to the address in question. The list goes on.

Anyways, can this be used against a person? Or is it union policy to not recognise the data in the case of a disciplinary?

Thanks.
Can't be used directly but it it happens regular enough the DOM can look to see where, then go out and watch it happen. They've then got witness evidences which can be used

Very interesting - thanks for the reply and clearing that up.
I totally understand that they might do something like you suggest to 'catch' someone in the act.

I've had PDA actual data help me several times when people claim that they didn't get an item, but I'm wondering if I should have even co-operated whatsoever with the enquiry into the claim given that it shouldn't be getting used against us.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 18 Jul 2019, 23:00

themailman wrote:Question on PDA actuals - sorry if this has been covered.

Now, the unions stance on PDA actuals is that they can't be used in conduct cases - am in correct in saying this?

Say that someone scans a barcode away from where they are supposed to, back at the DO instead of out in the street, 2 doors away from where they are supposed to, in the van before driving to the address in question. The list goes on.

Anyways, can this be used against a person? Or is it union policy to not recognise the data in the case of a disciplinary?

Thanks.

It is a legitimate use of the PDA data to confirm that an item has been delivered to the correct address. If you can remember to press the submit button at the doorstep - I know we often don't as we are rushing around like blue ****** flies - then it protects us from any claims from the occasional dodgy 'recipient'. In that sense it is a good thing. As a general rule there is no problem with the PDA actuals data except if your walk isn't long enough or you are one of the 'quick' posties who can 'kill' any walk they get put on.