Pda actuals

[number one]

Where are you dreaming all this up from? Managers can’t manage now, your proposals would require 1 manager for every 3/4 members of staff to keep an eye on them every minute of every day

No it doesn't, just needs one to look at the PDA data, or for the DOM to have a barcode which everyone has to scan back at the DO when they get back

Which will show the days before data, who is going to manage it day to day (live)

[SpacePhoenix]

Where are you dreaming all this up from? Managers can’t manage now, your proposals would require 1 manager for every 3/4 members of staff to keep an eye on them every minute of every day

No it doesn't, just needs one to look at the PDA data, or for the DOM to have a barcode which everyone has to scan back at the DO when they get back

Which will show the days before data, who is going to manage it day to day (live)

Scanning a barcode back at the DO can be done live. It also wouldn't take must of a change to the system for it to generate an alert when the PDA is back at the DO

[number one]

Ok, so 20 people get back early and the managers have already gone, than what?

[SpacePhoenix]

Ok, so 20 people get back early and the managers have already gone, than what?

Pay the locker person Leadership Allowance and they can then send them out.

we've all got to get used to the idea that RM will be very closely monitoring everyone's individual performance.

At some point RM are likely to look at having 2D barcodes on any packet and other item that can't be machine sorted. Once that happens they'll be able to see exactly what you've got for each loop and for each delivery point (or for each crash/road in a MC). We'll get x amount of time to complete the work

[number one]

Send them back out with what?? Help others? So they also finish early? A leadership allowance doesn’t turn them into a manager

[SpacePhoenix]

Send them back out with what?? Help others? So they also finish early? A leadership allowance doesn’t turn them into a manager

Doesn't need a manager to work it if someone has got time to do more

[Barton0502]

I think some people are underestimating the ability of the technology RM will be introducing over the coming years. It's evident that currently this technology is lacking in many places (PDAs currently undergoing updates on many levels which I have expanded upon in previous post) but the data which RM are able to access is not.

Let's look at the bigger picture and not necessarily get bogged down with just the PDA actuals: The database systems going forward will be hugely powerful and allow RM to accurately see what is going on at varying levels from acceptance to delivery.

When all mail and parcels are sorted at MCs, each delivery will have it's own accurate volume figures and delivery time allocation which managers can use to better the efficiency of the office on any given day, rather than blanket volume data. This doesn't necessarily mean that any specific delivery will be revised or deemed to be achievable in any way but will give managers good figures to utilise the workforce more effectively. Going forward, you have to just see your delivery as workload rather than taking any ownership. People coming back off of delivery early will be sent out to help posties with higher volumes of mail and parcels to complete duties. I don't think this is unreasonable.

If posties with lower volumes decide to drag their heels rather than work their allocated hours effectively then this accurate data could be used to cross examine their usual performance and if found to be unreasonable, asked questions as to why they were unable to complete in a shorter time frame. Again, this is not unreasonable IMO. Posties who are deemed to be slower than average may be asked to attend appraisals to ascertain any issues surrounding their performance and appropriate measures put in place to ensure their performance is optimised whether it is a requirement for further training or referrals to OH.

This all reiterates the reasons as to why it is important to do your delivery as prescribed as the current PDA actuals will form the basis of delivery estimates and revisions going forward. Yes, this will change depending on resigns and individual performance etc, but the utilisation of this technology makes the allocation of workload on a daily basis fluid between posties and give management the live data necessary to increase efficiency. The workload will be seen wholly as office based and not as individual.

Live PDA actuals will be assessed whilst you are out on delivery and I can see people ahead of time getting a call from management to go direct to duties for assistance before returning to the office.

Using this system, the chances of working considerable overtime, if any, on any given day would be minimal as everyone will effectively work close to the same hours.

Someone's question (apologies for not quoting) regarding what you would pay postie A, B or C is irrelevant as under this system, they would all work the same hours.

So where is all the current overtime going to disappear to? You say there will be little or no OT. Where has it gone? Who’s clearing up all the stuff left in a morning that cannot be completed in time? People are not all of a sudden going to start taking everything and going over their time, when they want to finish on their finish time. I don’t know what makes you think all the people that like to finish on time are all of a sudden going to start wanting to be late every day

[Woody Guthrie]

You can't leave work in a DO on the off chance that people might finish early SP

[number one]

You can't leave work in a DO on the off chance that people might finish early SP

Exactly! And as soon as people find out that if they get back early they get more work then they will slow down

[sirchewey]

I think some people are underestimating the ability of the technology RM will be introducing over the coming years. It's evident that currently this technology is lacking in many places (PDAs currently undergoing updates on many levels which I have expanded upon in previous post) but the data which RM are able to access is not.

Let's look at the bigger picture and not necessarily get bogged down with just the PDA actuals: The database systems going forward will be hugely powerful and allow RM to accurately see what is going on at varying levels from acceptance to delivery.

When all mail and parcels are sorted at MCs, each delivery will have it's own accurate volume figures and delivery time allocation which managers can use to better the efficiency of the office on any given day, rather than blanket volume data. This doesn't necessarily mean that any specific delivery will be revised or deemed to be achievable in any way but will give managers good figures to utilise the workforce more effectively. Going forward, you have to just see your delivery as workload rather than taking any ownership. People coming back off of delivery early will be sent out to help posties with higher volumes of mail and parcels to complete duties. I don't think this is unreasonable.

If posties with lower volumes decide to drag their heels rather than work their allocated hours effectively then this accurate data could be used to cross examine their usual performance and if found to be unreasonable, asked questions as to why they were unable to complete in a shorter time frame. Again, this is not unreasonable IMO. Posties who are deemed to be slower than average may be asked to attend appraisals to ascertain any issues surrounding their performance and appropriate measures put in place to ensure their performance is optimised whether it is a requirement for further training or referrals to OH.

This all reiterates the reasons as to why it is important to do your delivery as prescribed as the current PDA actuals will form the basis of delivery estimates and revisions going forward. Yes, this will change depending on resigns and individual performance etc, but the utilisation of this technology makes the allocation of workload on a daily basis fluid between posties and give management the live data necessary to increase efficiency. The workload will be seen wholly as office based and not as individual.

Live PDA actuals will be assessed whilst you are out on delivery and I can see people ahead of time getting a call from management to go direct to duties for assistance before returning to the office.

Using this system, the chances of working considerable overtime, if any, on any given day would be minimal as everyone will effectively work close to the same hours.

Someone's question (apologies for not quoting) regarding what you would pay postie A, B or C is irrelevant as under this system, they would all work the same hours.

So where is all the current overtime going to disappear to? You say there will be little or no OT. Where has it gone? Who’s clearing up all the stuff left in a morning that cannot be completed in time? People are not all of a sudden going to start taking everything and going over their time, when they want to finish on their finish time. I don’t know what makes you think all the people that like to finish on time are all of a sudden going to start wanting to be late every day

I didnt say it would be mandatory if your PDA actuals predict you will finish on your time then that's all good. People who want the OT can do it, people who dont dont
wont have to. People predicted to finish early will have to take enough to work their hours, people wanting some OT can chip in if they want.
The system would purely ensure ghosting is redundant and workload is shared evenly accross the office. It would also ensure staffing levels are kept optimal in order to complete workload. Offices would be able to employ staff based on this data rather than ballpark figures over time to maintain efficiency and keep within budget. This sort of system is streets ahead of what RM are running currently and would help eradicate the toxic environment which has been created by some staff and management.

[Woody Guthrie]

People predicted to finish early will have to take enough to work their hours,

Is this the new Mystic Meg app on the PDA?
You seem to have gone all science fictiony on us. Let's try to keep the debate somewhere near the boundaries of reality and talk about the tech RM has.

These are the basic facts.
You can't hold mail in an office without properly resourcing it or declaring it as a failure, that's called a clear office policy.. Hoping that someone comes back early is not generally regarded as properly resourced among auditors and senior management.

You cannot send people back out to help other members of staff on a regular basis, even the dumbest have moments of clarity and it wouldn't be long before there were more requesting assistance than offering it.

Now I can understand the business position when for instance it pays someone an hour's overtime to come out early and that same person finishes an hour early why should they pay them an hour's overtime? That kind of makes sense.

But the problem with not paying the overtime is the question of who then wants to come out early tomorrow?

For most of us our time is the only thing of value we can sell, we shouldn't sell too cheaply and we shouldn't undermine the price by undercutting our colleagues.

[Gasman11]

I think some people are underestimating the ability of the technology RM will be introducing over the coming years. It's evident that currently this technology is lacking in many places (PDAs currently undergoing updates on many levels which I have expanded upon in previous post) but the data which RM are able to access is not.

Let's look at the bigger picture and not necessarily get bogged down with just the PDA actuals: The database systems going forward will be hugely powerful and allow RM to accurately see what is going on at varying levels from acceptance to delivery.

When all mail and parcels are sorted at MCs, each delivery will have it's own accurate volume figures and delivery time allocation which managers can use to better the efficiency of the office on any given day, rather than blanket volume data. This doesn't necessarily mean that any specific delivery will be revised or deemed to be achievable in any way but will give managers good figures to utilise the workforce more effectively. Going forward, you have to just see your delivery as workload rather than taking any ownership. People coming back off of delivery early will be sent out to help posties with higher volumes of mail and parcels to complete duties. I don't think this is unreasonable.

If posties with lower volumes decide to drag their heels rather than work their allocated hours effectively then this accurate data could be used to cross examine their usual performance and if found to be unreasonable, asked questions as to why they were unable to complete in a shorter time frame. Again, this is not unreasonable IMO. Posties who are deemed to be slower than average may be asked to attend appraisals to ascertain any issues surrounding their performance and appropriate measures put in place to ensure their performance is optimised whether it is a requirement for further training or referrals to OH.

This all reiterates the reasons as to why it is important to do your delivery as prescribed as the current PDA actuals will form the basis of delivery estimates and revisions going forward. Yes, this will change depending on resigns and individual performance etc, but the utilisation of this technology makes the allocation of workload on a daily basis fluid between posties and give management the live data necessary to increase efficiency. The workload will be seen wholly as office based and not as individual.

Live PDA actuals will be assessed whilst you are out on delivery and I can see people ahead of time getting a call from management to go direct to duties for assistance before returning to the office.

Using this system, the chances of working considerable overtime, if any, on any given day would be minimal as everyone will effectively work close to the same hours.

Someone's question (apologies for not quoting) regarding what you would pay postie A, B or C is irrelevant as under this system, they would all work the same hours.

So where is all the current overtime going to disappear to? You say there will be little or no OT. Where has it gone? Who’s clearing up all the stuff left in a morning that cannot be completed in time? People are not all of a sudden going to start taking everything and going over their time, when they want to finish on their finish time. I don’t know what makes you think all the people that like to finish on time are all of a sudden going to start wanting to be late every day

Of course the extra work will still exist,.

How much of it done as overtime throughout the country is completed before our contractual finishing time? Id hazard a guess and say it must be in the region of 80 or 90%. Even a pessimistic figure of 50 or 60% shows there's plenty of scope for much of that work to be cleared without paying any overtime.

[SpacePhoenix]

One thing that's been forgotten in this thread is the items larger than a shoe box and all Tracked that won't be going through DOs soon (unless the DO is a LAT hub) and the hours that RM are going to want taken out of DOs as a result

[Woody Guthrie]

One thing that's been forgotten in this thread is the items larger than a shoe box and all Tracked that won't be going through DOs soon (unless the DO is a LAT hub) and the hours that RM are going to want taken out of DOs as a result

Don't forget they won't be passing through mailcentres either so it won't just be DOs they're pulling hours out of.

[SpacePhoenix]

One thing that's been forgotten in this thread is the items larger than a shoe box and all Tracked that won't be going through DOs soon (unless the DO is a LAT hub) and the hours that RM are going to want taken out of DOs as a result

Don't forget they won't be passing through mailcentres either so it won't just be DOs they're pulling hours out of.

It'll just mean less need for casuals