BELIAL wrote:I think that is RM's plan. I'd guess lots of pt's will never see the inside of a DO if RM get their way. Bags dropped to hand and the whole of the duty just delivering . Of course you would need a lot more vans.....hang on a secspilie wrote:belial what prep would be involved in a single d2d coming in on a wednesday and to be delivered that day? are you suggesting that f/t staff will prep the d2d into the frame? and if say 3 are in on a monday will f/t staff bundle and prep d2d into framesfor p/t staff?,but you would also need to get rid of the maximum delivery span....uh oh
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smokerjim
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
I don't suppose your mouth bleeds every 28 days, does it?
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spilie
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
so how would they justify pro rata on d2d if f/t staff never left the D.O?
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BELIAL
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
Who says FT's don't do a walk as well?
RM reckon they will save so much time with sequenced mail ,Ft's will prep multiple walks deliver drop bags do packets and complete a walk ,and the flyers will most likely get collections tagged on to their duty as well
RM reckon they will save so much time with sequenced mail ,Ft's will prep multiple walks deliver drop bags do packets and complete a walk ,and the flyers will most likely get collections tagged on to their duty as well
Bye
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spilie
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
you lost me now belial
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
BELIAL wrote:It will be bad, just vote NO
Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole, forget the sun.
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And when at last the work is done. Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
It is the Dutch delivery model that RM are so enamoured with - one FT in an office prepping & bagging the mail for 5+ walks then getting the mail out to PTs on low hrs contracts for them to deliver ( for example 3 normal walks could be reworked into 5 or 6 X 2hr deliveries, and one FT would prep them, bag them, then take the pouches and replenishment bags round to each individual delivery officer & leave them to it....possibly expecting them to work from their home as the safe drop or using the DO as the safe drop, and how they do it would be up to them, with RM taking no responsibility ).spilie wrote:you lost me now belial
I don't suppose your mouth bleeds every 28 days, does it?
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
You might be right but i intend to make the difference not sit on the fence and get splinters in my backside i will tell the truth about this deal to the few who will listen and the many who will not!.lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
It's a good point Lovejoy but lets be honest the lump sums are not exactly.......lumpy.
And the reps i have spoken to are not exactly..........impressed.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Hopefully the reps will be the ones who read it and give their honest and unbridled opinion. The lump sums are a joke and people will not be so easily swayed this time, so if Ward and Co think this will be a shoe in..............................good luck to them.
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
I agree , BUTand that's a big but it does raise the question of why our top brass are putting this deal to the membership.? A deal that condemns them to more work for less reward for ever,with a little sweetener just to pull the wool over their eyes and exploit the desperate.lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
Bye
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Ernie Shoe
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
Lump sums = Our money.lovejoy wrote:looking forward to tomorrow and us all getting the doc from HQ then the real mayhem starting!
Wednesdays and Thursdays briefings will be a key event as for every 1 of you guys who will analyse the deal cover to cover there are 10 that will (a) just look at short term things like lump sums or (b) seek the opinion of their reps (s).
DtoD = worse off.
If a yes vote is achieved then I'm out of here. Better things to do with my life!!
I'm speechless at this "deal"
4 months for this.
Our delivery office has walk sequencing in June - fingers crosses redundancies
Can't wait for the area reps to peddle this shite - am I going to heckle them.
In short this "deal" is the end of the CWU
CNTS.
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
Belial, could I pull you up on something? I am financially desperate ( I make Greece look solvent
) but I still won't vote for this deal....so I'd appreciate if you qualify your previous post with something like "desperate and terminally stupid" 
I don't suppose your mouth bleeds every 28 days, does it?
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SWIM
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Re: Come on Truth give us your thoughts
surely even the lump sum brigade can't be too impressed with this crock of sh*te?! 
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