People coming in for free?

tommyrep · Post by **tommyrep** » 28 Feb 2019, 10:51

SpacePhoenix wrote:
postmanzach wrote:We got a guy comes in early every day at about 6, but first lorry doesn’t come in now till about 6.30. Think he clears up the office trays and throws off d2ds and stuff. Asked him why he says he helps out for free because manager lets him finish early and go home early on a Saturday, like nobody else can?’ Lol think he goes to bed at about 7.30 and gets up at 4am, he’s pretty stuck in his ways, like he’s got nothing else to do other than work. FairPlay to him though he’s happy doing what he does.
That's a few hours that either the DOM or higher up have the scope to remove out of the office

Good and relevant point.

tommyrep · Post by **tommyrep** » 28 Feb 2019, 10:53

aiden01 wrote:
WallaceCat wrote:I’m not talking about 20 minutes or half hour, I’m talking 4am in the morning when official start times are not TIL 6.30. Obviously manager turns blind eye,. It doesn’t affect me so much as I’m full time, but there’s at least 7 hours a day here that are not going to part timers who coulld use the money. Is there anything that can be done. Union isn’t interested
How do you know union are not interested maybe the idiots who do it are not interested in unions advice.

Careful on that one, can be construed as giving shite advice on this forum.

deltaforce · Post by **deltaforce** » 28 Feb 2019, 11:09

Been going on since the year dot. Don’t worry what they do, just be concerned about things in your control. Life is too short.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 28 Feb 2019, 12:25

Whilst I agree with the sentiment of this thread I wonder if calling people Clowns and Idiots will get them onside.

Thoughts.

arnold cheshire · Post by **arnold cheshire** » 28 Feb 2019, 12:34

WallaceCat wrote:I’m not talking about 20 minutes or half hour, I’m talking 4am in the morning when official start times are not TIL 6.30. Obviously manager turns blind eye,. It doesn’t affect me so much as I’m full time, but there’s at least 7 hours a day here that are not going to part timers who coulld use the money. Is there anything that can be done. Union isn’t interested

What are they doing? IPS ? Chucking own .mech in?

Post by **Navalron** » 28 Feb 2019, 13:41

This is one of the main reasons that the job is f....d. Why would any manager increase hours if they have turds coming in early. Maybe it's time to gently show them the errors of their ways and I'm absolutely not talking about bullying or threatening behaviour towards these workmates. Maybe they have to be home early for kids or looking after elderly relative or a million other reasons. But at least try to make them understand that they won't have a job to come to it they keep on with those practices. And it shows you the cunning of the management who pull you up for claiming 10 mins but are prepared to let others work free for several hours per week. And since most offices don't have nights anymore, who is letting these early birds in.

Marshamp11 · Post by **Marshamp11** » 28 Feb 2019, 14:07

Yamr1 wrote:Our manager said he's just going to let them do it, saves him hours.
Who would want to work for free,
Wait a minute our colleagues
Unreal

Of course he will let them do it. It all adds to the validity of lumping people with more work once they start using data from PDAs of early finishing. The PDA doesnt show people started at silly o clock only that they finished x amount of time early.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 28 Feb 2019, 14:32

I’m talking 4am in the morning when official start time is 6.30

How do you know he starts at 4am?
Why is your office even open at 4am?
What are your arrival times?
What does he do for 2 and a half hours?
Is the work he does part of the indoor work plan?

It's only of any concern if the work he's doing is not being resourced because he's doing it for free. What often happens in these situations is that the guys who should be doing it just abuse the situation and get lazy.

If an office has a decent rep all of the work gets paid for because everything has to be accounted for in the weekly resource meeting. The work that Bob the insomniac is doing will be allocated to someone, it's just that they'll be having a coffee break and an extra smoke while Bob does it.

s**t offices with s**t reps will get s**t on but....they will anyway whether Bob comes in at 4am or 10 am.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:49

number one could sort it.

panch1989 · Post by **panch1989** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:52

Navalron wrote:This is one of the main reasons that the job is f....d. Why would any manager increase hours if they have turds coming in early. Maybe it's time to gently show them the errors of their ways and I'm absolutely not talking about bullying or threatening behaviour towards these workmates. Maybe they have to be home early for kids or looking after elderly relative or a million other reasons. But at least try to make them understand that they won't have a job to come to it they keep on with those practices. And it shows you the cunning of the management who pull you up for claiming 10 mins but are prepared to let others work free for several hours per week. And since most offices don't have nights anymore, who is letting these early birds in.

An old timer in our office has an adjustable wrench to remove a bolt in the fence,to get in before everyone else, before this he used to climb the gate. 40 plus years at RM. Mind boggles why

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:55

panch1989 wrote:
Navalron wrote:This is one of the main reasons that the job is f....d. Why would any manager increase hours if they have turds coming in early. Maybe it's time to gently show them the errors of their ways and I'm absolutely not talking about bullying or threatening behaviour towards these workmates. Maybe they have to be home early for kids or looking after elderly relative or a million other reasons. But at least try to make them understand that they won't have a job to come to it they keep on with those practices. And it shows you the cunning of the management who pull you up for claiming 10 mins but are prepared to let others work free for several hours per week. And since most offices don't have nights anymore, who is letting these early birds in.

An old timer in our office has an adjustable wrench to remove a bolt in the fench it get in before everyone else, before this he used to climb the gate. 40 plus years at RM. Mind boggles why

if the gate was locked how did he get into the office? surely it must've been shut if the gate was locked

Post by **CPTNemoUK** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:58

I would ring the police and say there's somebody breaking into the royal mail building. Because that's what he's actually doing

Post by **greengiant** » 28 Feb 2019, 16:59

mickeymacca wrote:
greengiant wrote:I wonder if these same people would start two hours early, unpaid, to stack tins of peas in Tesco?
you missed a trick there, should have said tins of sweetcorn.......Greengiant....:)

You are, what you eat!

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Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 28 Feb 2019, 17:08

greengiant wrote:
mickeymacca wrote:
greengiant wrote:I wonder if these same people would start two hours early, unpaid, to stack tins of peas in Tesco?
you missed a trick there, should have said tins of sweetcorn.......Greengiant....:)
You are, what you eat!

soylent.jpg

I hope not

world class male · Post by **world class male** » 28 Feb 2019, 17:09

arnold cheshire wrote:
WallaceCat wrote:I’m not talking about 20 minutes or half hour, I’m talking 4am in the morning when official start times are not TIL 6.30. Obviously manager turns blind eye,. It doesn’t affect me so much as I’m full time, but there’s at least 7 hours a day here that are not going to part timers who coulld use the money. Is there anything that can be done. Union isn’t interested
What are they doing? IPS ? Chucking own .mech in?

i'm also puzzled, if i went in at 4am and did 2hrs30 unpaid just doing my own duty i'd be worked up by 4.30am apart from monday doing the households for the week and just be grabbing odd letter/packet if the early ips crew are in on overtime,
also does this person work in a pair, this is giving the other guy a very easy day, or harder on knees if you cannot rule out lapsing for being out an hour earlier than planned every day,
obviously most DO's are run different in many ways but there isn't a chance that could happen in ours, maybe 1hr but no way 2hrs30
are your overtime sheets on public view? i'd check if they are actually also doing genuine ips too, which sounds more likely to me