DO I HAVE TO LAPSE EVEN IF I HAVE TIME ?

[Celgar]

these duties get evenly split between people who have enough time doing the same amount of lapsing as people who dont have enough time.

They are also split evenly between Full Time and Part time. A full timer has an extra two hours every day in which he can 'absorb' any extra work.

Most full time posties won't have two hours in their duty time each day where they have nothing to do. I do agree that it is less likely that part time staff will have any leeway within their duty to do lapsing/absorption. I'm basing that on regular comments on from part time staff that usually suggest the hours they are given are not enough to get the job done in let alone additional work.

[LaggyBand]

Union should recognise 90% of harassment comes from managers trying to get posties to complete by working beyond paid hours when they clearly don’t want to. Obvious the psychometric testing is targeting these brute force over intellect types.

Start with a blanket message to all members simply reaffirming we have to work our paid hours but any more is voluntary, along with the overrunning procedure.

It’s not hard. I want to know an argument against my proposal please. Anyone.

[NewPostieUK]

these duties get evenly split between people who have enough time doing the same amount of lapsing as people who dont have enough time.

They are also split evenly between Full Time and Part time. A full timer has an extra two hours every day in which he can 'absorb' any extra work.

Most full time posties won't have two hours in their duty time each day where they have nothing to do.

I didn't say that. I said they have two hours more than a part timer in which to absorb work. I have 6 hours in which to absorb 30 mins work they have nearly 8. Two hours more.

[Shedend]

As I have said before on here its as if I am working in a different Royal Mail. We only absorb to traffic levels. When the traffic is low we look at absorption. If on the day the traffic is above forecast then the absorption is cancelled. I don't work in London on the doorstep of CWU headquarters as has been said before. I do not get how so many offices are working outside of the national agreement on absorption.

[lostinthepost]

Yes - its classed as a reasonable request.

If you don't have the time - you don't.

So, is it not also a 'reasonable request' to ask ANY member of staff who returns early to take that mail?

Why should a member of staff who finishes fifteen minutes before his time be expected to take MORE work, when you have staff sat at home? I thought we all had a start and finish time nowadays?

[Chris413]

Yes - its classed as a reasonable request.

If you don't have the time - you don't.

So, is it not also a 'reasonable request' to ask ANY member of staff who returns early to take that mail?

Why should a member of staff who finishes fifteen minutes before his time be expected to take MORE work, when you have staff sat at home? I thought we all had a start and finish time nowadays?

And! That comment I totally agree with, happens to much.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Yes - its classed as a reasonable request.

If you don't have the time - you don't.

So, is it not also a 'reasonable request' to ask ANY member of staff who returns early to take that mail?

Why should a member of staff who finishes fifteen minutes before his time be expected to take MORE work, when you have staff sat at home? I thought we all had a start and finish time nowadays?

That would be classed as unfair treatment and would I suggest be worthy of a grievance.

[Postie45]

The treatment being delivered by the DOMs upon regular posties is a disgrace and should be exposed for the scandal it really is, with the full backing of the Union at the very top.

cmon now, the union may not be doing its best job all the time, but to think they approve bullying managers tactics is a stretch

[tommyrep]

The treatment being delivered by the DOMs upon regular posties is a disgrace and should be exposed for the scandal it really is, with the full backing of the Union at the very top.

cmon now, the union may not be doing its best job all the time, but to think they approve bullying managers tactics is a stretch

Well. If they don't approve why did B&H cases soar since the introduction of the previous 5 year deal ?
Why does it continue to rise ?
Why is it the MAIN topic of complaint on these threads ? almost every day !
Tell me what the Union top brass actually do ? The last deal was well known to have an expiry date for example, yet negotiations were still a full year behind ! Like did it creep up on them by surprise ? What were they doing up untill then ?
I strongly disagree with your attempt at sticking up for our Union. They fail members miserably. Take off the blinkers.
They have sat back on their laurels for years now and constantly sold its members down the river on multiple occasions in the process. It's a shameful disregard for the abusive treatment of their own members, contempt even !
What about sick leave due to stress for example, depression cases caused by bullying DOMs ? The amount of grievances - far less the ones never pursued or recorded.?
People pay their Union subs to have representation and some form of basic protection in their working environment, the CWU at the very top level have let many members down big time.
The very simple basics of protecting members from bullying managers is proof of that failure. It Has gone on for years unchallenged - or the unscrupulous managers would have been disciplined, sacked or prosecuted for their blatant intimidation of posties. Or at least curtailed, not as rampant like it is now.
Wake up, see what they really " actually do " about that DOMs treatment of their members, then come back and tell me they take an interest. On the point of "not doing its best all of the time", dealing with persistent daily basic grass root problems should be a normal standard for Union business- why is it not ?
The biggest disappointment is RM know how ineffective and uninterested the Union are.

[azza30]

Listen. It is fecking simple. Work the job properly. Use your trolleys, don't use bags, take your breaks, knock up neighbors, wait at the door just in case it may be for the oldies, take your safe place photo, write your dockets out fully. Take the lapsing and tell them before you go out if you have time you will do it, if not you will bring it back. If they disagree say if you are back early you will take it out. Follow cut off procedure.

Don't be a great big fearty.

Walk out the door on your finishing time.

Forget about the inane beavis and buttheads and their special minions.

Get some self respect back.

Simples

[tommyrep]

Listen. It is fecking simple. Work the job properly. Use your trolleys, don't use bags, take your breaks, knock up neighbors, wait at the door just in case it may be for the oldies, take your safe place photo, write your dockets out fully. Take the lapsing and tell them before you go out if you have time you will do it, if not you will bring it back. If they disagree say if you are back early you will take it out. Follow cut off procedure.

Don't be a great big fearty.

Walk out the door on your finishing time.

Forget about the inane beavis and buttheads and their special minions.

Get some self respect back.

Simples

Sounds simple, doesn’t it !
So why does the tail wag the dog ? We have the ball at our own feet yet spend most of the game scoring own goals.
Madness I know, impossible to believe but that’s life in a modern DO.
I truly think the bulk of delivery OPGs are in need of therapy. It’s crazy I know, but posties generally moan on this site, many posties are easily intimidated.
My main gripe is if they cannot stand up for themselves it is obvious that the Union need to take the lead.
Just because they are mostly pussies on delivery, RM managers should not be allowed to treat people like they do just because they can get away with it ! They should be held to account and the Union should step up to the mark in defending their members from bullying abuse. They know it’s going on, time to stop burying their head in the sand. Protect their members because the are not able to do it for themselves, generally speaking. As I said mostly spineless pussies.

[Nickvilla20]

Was told today by the Lino that we have to do our lasping before our delivery and if we cut off we cut off on our own delivery. I cut off yesterday after they didn’t see a bulk posting coming i overran today and trying to get 20 minutes OT was like trying to get blood from a stone.

Since the agreement things have just got worse there trying to save 240 hours out the office a week union rep seems uninterested with his cushy number and no sign of terry and co the silence is deafening.

[Nickvilla20]

Listen. It is fecking simple. Work the job properly. Use your trolleys, don't use bags, take your breaks, knock up neighbors, wait at the door just in case it may be for the oldies, take your safe place photo, write your dockets out fully. Take the lapsing and tell them before you go out if you have time you will do it, if not you will bring it back. If they disagree say if you are back early you will take it out. Follow cut off procedure.

Don't be a great big fearty.

Walk out the door on your finishing time.

Forget about the inane beavis and buttheads and their special minions.

Get some self respect back.

Simples

Sounds simple, doesn’t it !
So why does the tail wag the dog ? We have the ball at our own feet yet spend most of the game scoring own goals.
Madness I know, impossible to believe but that’s life in a modern DO.
I truly think the bulk of delivery OPGs are in need of therapy. It’s crazy I know, but posties generally moan on this site, many posties are easily intimidated.
My main gripe is if they cannot stand up for themselves it is obvious that the Union need to take the lead.
Just because they are mostly pussies on delivery, RM managers should not be allowed to treat people like they do just because they can get away with it ! They should be held to account and the Union should step up to the mark in defending their members from bullying abuse. They know it’s going on, time to stop burying their head in the sand. Protect their members because the are not able to do it for themselves, generally speaking. As I said mostly spineless pussies.

Spot on too many competing with each of trying to finish early and to many working for free.

[clashcityrocker]

Lapsing can take place where you have spare capacity ie not enough work to fill your paid for hours.

But the reality is a the "spare capacity for lapsing" is being artificially created by using overtime to advance the IPS.
What agreement was that ever in?

[Shedend]

Lapsing can take place where you have spare capacity ie not enough work to fill your paid for hours.

But the reality is a the "spare capacity for lapsing" is being artificially created by using overtime to advance the IPS.
What agreement was that ever in?

Lapsing and absorption is based on traffic figures and nothing else. Not annual leave, sick leave or vacancies. If a unit is using early starts on overtime there is no absorption in that office because clearly the traffic is to high if they have to bring in early starts to get the work through the ips.