Mail volumes falling ? NOT !

[L Tommo]

Ello for a start, welcome, Can i just say i read your posts and in your last you say that "the union" and "the unions backing"

????????? WE ARE THE UNION, ALL OF US.. Now i might be preaching to the converted but in your words it sounds you take CWU HQ as something that is seperate to US in the CWU??? Tell me if im wrong??? I feel if we all do our bit in the CWU then a local rep is as powerful as a area rep or Dave Ward or any of em!!!! Lets look after our own back yards 1st,, Let the HQ listen to us for a change, And this goes for all D.O.'s and M.C.'s anywhere a CWU member works... Have our say.. It is hard when a rep seems to b in the pocket of a screw, As we had in my office not to long ago.. As the w****r stood down... Bout time as well... And last time i heard is going screw him self now.....

So in your office You are pissed off with the way your all being treated? You dont want to work in this inviroment??? U are being shafted , YES??

Well fight back, fight em with the rules,, RULES in the IR framework that CWU AND RM layed out... You dont have to fight any one or be outcast.. Just do as the boys and Girls of Burslem AND Longton... And now others around the country... DONT WORK FOR NOTHING, WORK TO YOUR 318's... DONT USE CARS, USE THE VANS THAT SHOULD BE PUT IN PLACE OR TIME FOR TRANSPORT/ PUBLIC. AND BE PAID BACK TRAVELING.. HAVE BAG DROPS FOR EVERY BAG. EVEN IF NO DROP POINT. PUT IT BACK ON THE SCREWS... THEY WANT RULES. WE PLAY BUY THEM!!! WATCH THEM SQUIRM THEN...PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING MATE.. It works in other offices why not yours or mine???
TOGETHERNESS!!! It only needs a good few to start this, people with balls... Not whimps that wil buckle down and be a screws bitch..
They love us fighting amongst ourselves.. JOB DONE FOR THEM!!! Will we ever learn???????????????????????????????????????????????????


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DONT COME IN EARLY AND GIVE UP YOUR TIME, £££££ AND JOB FOR THESE PARASITES!!!

[cjp]

Meweavy! If it helps to persuade you I can tell you that you don't need to answer to anyone in the union except your own members. I've seen it 1st hand and our reps don't answer to area, Div or National Reps they are there to do our bidding not the other way around. At the moment our branch is having quite a big turn around for the better so it's not to much of a problem now though.

[montana banana]

i wonder if anyone has copied this link and sent it to cwu h q ?

[F0zziebear]

Hi,

Just read this thread. There are a couple of ways to measure volume:

1. Revenues. With the top 100 companies accounting for so much traffic it is possible to get a good idea of volume from this, and in theory it's fall to ground from their databases.

2. Mail Characteristics Survey. Royal Mail spend millions per year getting an external research agency to ask customers what comes thorugh their letter-boxes. This is used to inform us about volumes

3. Mail is weighed when it comes into a D.O and it should be possible to add this information up (as it is fed into a central system everyday).

I was led to believe for a number of eyars that volumes were going down, especially in the 'social' mail sector. The only area I was led to believe that was growing was the government sector, and this was on the back of increased investment.

Yet time and time again posties say that the volume hitting them is increasing. The two sources of information do not seem to add up. So something is happening. Is it possible that the weight of an item has increased, which leads to a perceived increase in volume? I honestly don't know, and with rounds getting re-distributed it is not so easy to compare a round over an extended period of time.

It is possible with Downstram access (for example) that costs have come down marginally for businesses and they are now sending more volume, but I am not convinced that they are sending out more.

I reckon it is safe to say that packages have increased over the last 10 years as the internet and online shopping has taken off.

Again email crispin.beale@royalmail.com or email ask.allan@royalmail.com and put the question to them and see what they come back with.

My personal experience is not one of mgmt trying to screw over frontline people over things such as volume, but I can only talk from personal experience.

F0zz

[POSTMAN]

3. Mail is weighed when it comes into a D.O and it should be possible to add this information up (as it is fed into a central system everyday).My personal experience is not one of mgmt trying to screw over frontline people over things such as volume, but I can only talk from personal experience.

It's all done at the Mail Centres now and that is the figures that count,it's also still weighed at the DO's but not sure what happens to theses figures,i think they are used as toilet paper.

It seems that since it's being weighed up town the figures have gone down.

Put it this way SE1 'Mandella way',the biggest office in SE London had LESS weight than the SE9 'Eltham' office at one time

Cooking the books a speciality of RM comes to new heights.
FOzz,i think things have certainly changed since you were last with us.

[ROCKY]

I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE THESE FIGURES ARE BOLLO? IVE SEEN THE THINK OF A NUMBER COMPUTER FORMS BEEN FILLED OUT MYSELF BY SOMEONE WHO DIDNT HAVE TIME TO DO IT PROPERLY,AND RECENTLY IN A ATTEMPT TO PUT MORE SORTING TIME ON MY DUTY MY DOM QUOTED THE SUPPOSED TRAFFIC FOR MY DEL AND ALSO MY MATES DEL,MINE WAS THE LOWEST,STRANGE THEN THAT MY SLOTS ARE ALWAYS THE FIRST TO FILL UP,I GET THE MOST BOXS OUT AND I HAVE THE ONLY DEL WITH TWO PACKET BAGS AND THE SORTERS HAVE ASKED TO HAVE ANOTHER BOX FOR MY MAIL TO REPLACE A WALK THAT HAS BEEN AXED,MY MATES DUTY WELL KNOWN AS A SENIOR MANS DUTY BECAUSE IT IS SO LIGHT,COULD THESE NUMBERS BE CHANGED TO FIT CIRCUMSTANCE,MMMMMMMMMMMM,I WONDER

[L Tommo]

SIMPLE... ASK FOR A WALK TEST.. WITH A UNION REP IN TOW!!! I had my old walk tested 3 times. Once it rained and the Screws said"WE CANT CARRY ON MARKING AND TIMING YOU AS ITS RAINING." HAHAHAHAHAHA! I said "ok u tell my DOM im coming back too with 3 bags of mail to doo... " They wernt happy!!! i was!!! 2ND TIME.. they said as it was VERY heavy that day it wasnt a good indication of a normal day!!! I said bollox, U just know it will be bad for you lot!!! They shuffled off muttering im "awkward " hahahahahahaha!!! 3rd TIME Went out and walked to my 1st letter, 20 mins up hill and a to the end of my district and these screws were fooked!!! hahahahahahahah now im a big bloke and carrying a bit of lumber but these to looked like they just finished the London Marathon... HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I done 1st bag n stopped... Waited for 2nd and 3rd bag.. on a street corner, No pouch drops just a Pillow box enough room for 1 bag.. done 2nd bag walked all the way back to 3rd.. Screws got the ump!!! hahahaha walked all way to next letter,, shop with 3 bags in.. worked from there,, thru me keeping them on side n being nice!!! (hard for me) when done. i walked back 2 pillow box and screws went mad!!! i told em i want my other bag!! they asked Y,,,, I SAID, "COZ IF I FECKING DONT I AINT DELIVERING TOMMOROW THRU NOT ENOUGH BAGS IN OFFICE!"" (LIKE GOLD DUST ON A DONKEYS ARSE) Got back to office, they were real fecked now.. Me on 11s. They didnt.. But got back 3hours 58 mins This was 7 years ago... Point of story,, (wake up u lot) They pulled me off of sorting and the boys n girls went mental!!! and rightly so... Then they said i could have 30mins a day docket!! I said u better test all the others first before i say yes or no!!! THEY WENT BESERK!!!!! f****d EM!! Note, i had 1900 odd items. Work out your prep/walk time and see Mate.. If they do it proper then they even give you 10 mins for a crap!!! NICE OF EM!!!

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JUST CHUCK THAT AT EM!! THEY CANT ARGUE!!! WHEN THEY AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE TAKING THE PISS..

ps it harder now 1 delivery i know but still can be tested this way for a 3/half hour delivery!""

[ROCKY]

one of ours came out at 5hrs 20 for a 31/2 walk,problem is jobs are gone and we cant get any more staff,georoute ooooooppppppppppppsssssssssss