Posties not using trolleys

Post by **osgoody1970** » 17 Jan 2017, 14:56

i think the problem with the trolleys, is that, the delivery will take much longer, we told management that, at the time, but they said it would not make a difference(go figure) so people want to finish on time, will use the quickest method, is there anyone out there using a trolley, that can finish in their allotted time, because if there are,,, must be a peach of a walk!!!!

Zicomurphy · Post by **Zicomurphy** » 17 Jan 2017, 15:16

woody38 wrote: has anybody else found that the planner are also a problem as well.

We're on our 3rd full revision since park and loop come in, no merging of offices or large increase in delivery points because of new builds, just down to the fact the first 2 were done so badly by the planners.

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 17 Jan 2017, 15:30

osgoody1970 wrote:i think the problem with the trolleys, is that, the delivery will take much longer, we told management that, at the time, but they said it would not make a difference(go figure) so people want to finish on time, will use the quickest method, is there anyone out there using a trolley, that can finish in their allotted time, because if there are,,, must be a peach of a walk!!!!

Constantly highlight this by using the overrunning delivery procedure and insist on the walk being tested.

Making it work by not using the equipment solves nothing long term, other than give management an indication thst the workload is manageable, when quite clearly, if using the correct methods, it is not.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 17 Jan 2017, 16:23

No it's not mandatory

Have an accident carrying a bag and you'll soon find out how mandatory it is.

Kellsidc · Post by **Kellsidc** » 17 Jan 2017, 16:24

Everyone had their own ways of doing things and totally respect that.

I don't have van access for a lot of my duty, so I use a LWT for 2 loops. The first loop I use it, I physically cannot carry all the packets and mail when we quite often have 8+ large bundles of mail, plus a lot of large packets. Its quicker for me to take it all at once, instead of waiting for someone to drop it to me, that way I'm not slowing up anyone else. I don't feel it makes a huge difference to time, especially on my other loop i use it. I have lots of steep driveways, much quicker and safer for my back to leave the trolley at the top (in view of course) than lugg a huge heavy bag(s) up with me.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 17 Jan 2017, 16:31

PHARRY wrote: No it's not mandatory

I don't think he likes the site anymore. It started so well.

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 17 Jan 2017, 16:33

Not bullying people is mandatory,so is not forcing people to go over their time,and weekly resource meetings etc,etc.
I could go on, but you get the point.
Royal Mail cherry picks the bits it wants out of BT 2010,then ignores the bits it doesn't like,or that don't suit,so I hardly think that is a standard setter.

WOBBLY · Post by **WOBBLY** » 17 Jan 2017, 16:35

The problem with the LWT is, like a lot of RMs hair brained schemes, not a one size fits all solution! It will work on some duties but not others! Each walk should be assessed on an individual basis at the planning stage! Getting decent planners to start with would be a good idea!!

Post by **postiewhite** » 17 Jan 2017, 16:53

Not sure that I heard this right but I do sort of remember our health and safety guy mention (from a meeting) that they do in a way turn a blind eye to this. If they completely clamped down on using trollies then mail would be left most days. It's a fact a trolly does slow you down,maybe 3 minutes per loop but add that up over 8 bags and that is 24 minutes over the duty which is nearly one bag of mail. If everyone used a trolly and the correct methods they would employ more staff but the runners that come back an hour early suggest to the manager that their walk is too small.

Sawfeet · Post by **Sawfeet** » 17 Jan 2017, 17:51

I don't like to leave the HCT to much, as most have a chain lock but no key for lock

I must get round to buy my own lock.
As still new i've been told I need speed up "We got Posties in here can do that walk in x number hours" Bet they not going door to door with HCT

Most in office bag from HCT I did watch one bloke try pick some tips get me faster, he jogs with bag and bungle in arm does one side of road then runs back to HCT get other side road!

I don't like to but have to load bag up from HCT just to try and claw some time back!
Have been told all the walk and timed pushing HCT should be completed with four hours.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 17 Jan 2017, 18:13

I feel sorry for the trolleys…they are always getting pushed around

Personally, I use the trolleys as and when it suits me. If I've got either a heavy bag or a bag full of packets then a trolley is the most sensible option. But if I've got flats and/or the bags are not too heavy then I carry the bag, just like we used to.

bandit1157 · Post by **bandit1157** » 17 Jan 2017, 18:32

I use a HCT all the way [it's now done more miles than the Starship Enterprise] Despite repeated requests to have the walk tested the answer I get is Geo-route says yes.
Result I do not lapse and haven't done overtime in over 18 months and the manager is out delivering my excess mail nearly every day. Why start early for free, go without a break, rush round with heavy bags cutting every corner when the manager will do it for me. I'm P/T and was told no more hours on this job, they have never been more right, They don't get a minute out of me.
Don't make the job work at your expense.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 17 Jan 2017, 18:42

Excellent. And does your manager use a trolley to deliver your excess mail nearly every day? Mine does

bandit1157 · Post by **bandit1157** » 17 Jan 2017, 18:58

postslippete wrote:Excellent. And does your manager use a trolley to deliver your excess mail nearly every day? Mine does

No he uses his car. I do my job to the letter, can't be b"llocked for that. I have no need to go on an internet forum to lie and am too old for silly games.

tommyrep · Post by **tommyrep** » 17 Jan 2017, 19:35

Pharry
It IS mandatory if the revision method stated a HCT was to be used.
Don't be fooled, or act the fool stating such trash!