dingo wrote:
1 absorption can only take place where there is spare capacity.
2. Absorption should not make an individual go past their time or cut off.
3. Absorption should not take place if this means the prep for the part timer does not get done.
Meanwhile, in the real world..
The manager needs to lapse a duty whenever he can. The people who have time in their workload do it. The rest cannot be just left, so the rest of the office are 'asked' to do it and claim overtime. Those who say no are a problem. Therefore, lapsing, or absorption, is done when there is no spare capacity. It very often makes individuals go over, and there is never much excuse needed for part timers to have to finish prepping their own duties.
Why do full timers do the same absorption as part timers when they obviously have more spare capacity? (or potential for).
Double prep, is indoor absorption. As is throwing in the mech for part timers. This is what we do in my office, I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen in most.
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dingo wrote: Royal Mail to be offering Predict to customers in the next 12 months which will mean a 15 minute window for delivery to customers.
5 years ago I could already "predict" to within 10/15 mins when I would get my mail. And it was almost the exact time every single day usually 11.30ish in my case. Now customers will be told within 10/15 mins of when mail will arrive but could be any time between 10 and 5.
Progress?
Anyway if new pda eventually stops people working for nothing and not taking breaks. I'd imagine their would less lapsing as opposed to more. Some people may finish early, doesn't mean to say they've worked less hours than they should have. Know plenty of people who come in hour early so they can finish 30 mins early.
The problem i have with all of this is that everyone works at different speeds . That doesnt mean that one is a runner or one is a slow coach , some tie up quicker than others some may take 5 hours to do a walk and some might do it in less than 4 hours , neither is right or wrong . Royal mail and the union have never recognised this which leads to arguements up and down the country.We all know that most walks are not equal , well the same goes for the postmen and the speeds they work at.
Why do full timers do the same absorption as part timers when they obviously have more spare capacity? (or potential for).
Double prep, is indoor absorption. As is throwing in the mech for part timers. This is what we do in my office, I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen in most.
Double prep is ordinary workload in my office, and throwing in mech is just part of prep. On an easy day there is less to prep so (some) full timers get out earlier, taking with them the same lapsing as part timers.
We can of course argue the case and take none out if we have no time.
Who does double preps and throws in part timers mech in your office on an ordinary day?
this all happens because some people will never learn, they come back early then they get given more workload and so go even faster, come in even earlier, cut even more corners so they can still finish at the same early time, leaving others look slow in comparison.
Yes there are plenty runners and early starters out there that finish earlier than they should, but people need to remember, as chickenwittle has just said, that some people are just faster than others. Why should they have to slow down just to match the slower posties?
Also in my office, the early starters don't actually get out any earlier than the rest of us. The vast majority of mail in our office, we have to manually sort on the IPS frame all morning so obviously nobody can tie up until that's done. Our early starters come in early to start the IPS early and also prep stuff for the IPS (we still get a lot of bags of mail which I understand is not supposed to happen anymore?) so they are helping the whole office out, not just themselves. Though, I'm 99% sure that our office is a minority in that regard.
chickenwittle wrote:The problem i have with all of this is that everyone works at different speeds . That doesnt mean that one is a runner or one is a slow coach , some tie up quicker than others some may take 5 hours to do a walk and some might do it in less than 4 hours , neither is right or wrong . Royal mail and the union have never recognised this which leads to arguements up and down the country.We all know that most walks are not equal , well the same goes for the postmen and the speeds they work at.
wheresourmoney wrote:All this week we have been under instruction to complete triple lapsing,our union rep has put in a disagreement, just wondered if any other office has had this put to them.
I don't even know what triple lapsing is. Is it when you say 'no' three times? Or is it three days a week? We are asked on a tuesday but we don't always have the time.
He can't 'instruct you to complete lapsing' but he can ask you to do anything he wants.
NewPostieUK wrote:
He can't 'instruct you to complete lapsing' but he can ask you to do anything he wants.
Spot on my friend!! Simple as that
So if you return early to the office your manager has to ask you if you could do a bit more, he can't instruct you to do it?
Its semantics. What they mean is a manager can't tell you to complete lapsing, unless you can complete it in the time available.
Or to oversimplify it - A manager can make any reasonable request during your contracted hours.
Failure to comply with a reasonable request will lead to action under the conduct code.
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steve1873 wrote:The bottom line is, if you have time to do 1,2,3 or however many bits of lapsing within your contracted hours (minus meal relief), then there is no problem....
Remain calm and composed and continue to insist that you will do as is reasonably instructed, but that you wish to finish on your time.
It isn't a case of ,"wishing" ,at all, it's a case of " I will be finishing on time,as is my right" how do they know what you have planned after work ,it's got sod all to do with them what you do in your time. Smile sweetly and await further instructions.
We have some that take their allocation of lapsing, but don't use a single minute of their 40+ minutes of meal relief and sign out less than 40 minutes early without claiming overtime. Been going on for years, especially among the part timers in my depot.
dingo wrote:Instead of blaming people , please recognise that Royal Mail demanded in 2007 that people work all their paid for hours. The CWU could not on one hand demand more pay but say we support people finishing early and not working their hours.
The concern is some 9 years later some on here do not actually understand the pay and mod agreement in regards to absorption and resourcing. This includes
1 absorption can only take place where there is spare capacity.
2. Absorption should not make an individual go past their time or cut off.
3. Absorption should not take place if this means the prep for the part timer does not get done.
4. There should be no ad hoc absorption on the day.
5. Resourcing meetings should take 2 weeks in advance.
6. No individual should be taken off their own walk to create absorption unless agreed by the rep.
If any of the above are not being adhered too your rep can use the IR framework.
The reality is that Royal Mail do believe that individuals finish early on certain days. This is why they intend to introduce Production Control which similar to the RFID scanners , these will ensure all OPGs clock in and out not just at the start and end of the day but after every task IPS , prep and meal relief etc. The new PDA trails have shown that the mapping of individuals on walks will assist Royal Mail to offering Predict to customers in the next 12 months which will mean a 15 minute window for delivery to customers.
Have you a link for the above points? I'd like a copy to show my local rep :)
