actual policy

[twobags]

If, (assuming I have understood this correctly) they are finishing early on light days and not claiming o/t on the heavier days (no o/t claims on heavier days, no lapsing on lighter days) why don't they just alter the longs and shorts to reflect the reality of the working week?
Take 15 minutes from Mon/Tues and add them to Thurs/Fri or whatever?

I've no idea but that would seem the sensible option, oh wait this is RM!

EDIT: And those who do make a stand either end up getting sacked for some little discrepancy (PTs) or life is made very hard for them by having their round become one of the lapsed ones (FTs).

thanks hitcher but thats only half of it

[hampshireman]

If, (assuming I have understood this correctly) they are finishing early on light days and not claiming o/t on the heavier days (no o/t claims on heavier days, no lapsing on lighter days) why don't they just alter the longs and shorts to reflect the reality of the working week?
Take 15 minutes from Mon/Tues and add them to Thurs/Fri or whatever?

I've no idea but that would seem the sensible option, oh wait this is RM!

EDIT: And those who do make a stand either end up getting sacked for some little discrepancy (PTs) or life is made very hard for them by having their round become one of the lapsed ones (FTs).

thanks hitcher but thats only half of it

Or how about they fill your working day?

Just because you finish delivery before the set time should not mean that you go home. There must be something to do in the office?

If, you are told there is nothing to do and are sent home ; then fine.

Surely , longs and shorts should be a thing of the past? All they do is encourage the false manipulation of hours and working practices

[clashcityrocker]

Surely , longs and shorts should be a thing of the past? All they do is encourage the false manipulation of hours and working practices

I don't understand this bit.

[hampshireman]

Surely , longs and shorts should be a thing of the past? All they do is encourage the false manipulation of hours and working practices

I don't understand this bit.

Clash; Maybe I don't either.

I think what I am saying is that all days should be equal. 8 hours or whatever is your day. Work should be made to fill that day ; rather than manipulate the working day.

longs and shorts encourages abuse. In my previous office (where i was full time) we had two short (7 hour) days.

One a Tuesday (light day) the other a Saturday (not a light day)

Tuesday was great for the runners and flyers.

Saturday was great for the early starters.

The manipulation is around the falseness of the hours worked by the office to clear the office.

Working practice is about the allowance of people working out of their hours (for the square root of eff all) to ensure they finish before their time.

I'll give up today ; I know what I want to say but can't articulate today

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Surely , longs and shorts should be a thing of the past? All they do is encourage the false manipulation of hours and working practices

I don't understand this bit.

Clash; Maybe I don't either.

I think what I am saying is that all days should be equal. 8 hours or whatever is your day. Work should be made to fill that day ; rather than manipulate the working day.

longs and shorts encourages abuse. In my previous office (where i was full time) we had two short (7 hour) days.

One a Tuesday (light day) the other a Saturday (not a light day)

Tuesday was great for the runners and flyers.

Saturday was great for the early starters.

The manipulation is around the falseness of the hours worked by the office to clear the office.

Working practice is about the allowance of people working out of their hours (for the square root of eff all) to ensure they finish before their time.

I'll give up today ; I know what I want to say but can't articulate today

Something along the lines of employee knows they have "x" amount of time to deliver the walk they are assigned to, but instead of following correct procedures everyday without fail (which might mean daily conflicts with lino to either cut off or authorise o/t), they change the speed they work at (while breaking security and health/safety rules, maybe sacrificing paid meal relief breaks too) to get the whole walk delivered within the days contracted hours without needing to claim o/t?

[hampshireman]

Surely , longs and shorts should be a thing of the past? All they do is encourage the false manipulation of hours and working practices

I don't understand this bit.

Clash; Maybe I don't either.

I think what I am saying is that all days should be equal. 8 hours or whatever is your day. Work should be made to fill that day ; rather than manipulate the working day.

longs and shorts encourages abuse. In my previous office (where i was full time) we had two short (7 hour) days.

One a Tuesday (light day) the other a Saturday (not a light day)

Tuesday was great for the runners and flyers.

Saturday was great for the early starters.

The manipulation is around the falseness of the hours worked by the office to clear the office.

Working practice is about the allowance of people working out of their hours (for the square root of eff all) to ensure they finish before their time.

I'll give up today ; I know what I want to say but can't articulate today

Something along the lines of employee knows they have "x" amount of time to deliver the walk they are assigned to, but instead of following correct procedures everyday without fail (which might mean daily conflicts with lino to either cut off or authorise o/t), they change the speed they work at (while breaking security and health/safety rules, maybe sacrificing paid meal relief breaks too) to get the whole walk delivered within the days contracted hours without needing to claim o/t?

Nicely put

[fishtank]

There is nothing wrong with Long & Shorts if they accurately reflect the workload on particular days and are applied fairly through agreement.
What they should do is reduce or remove the need for absorption on short days when the traffic is down and reduce or remove the need to resource through overtime on the days when traffic is higher.
In theory at least...this protects jobs.