People not using their trolleys getting other guys introuble

[Viewfindergeneral]

This ties in with another recent thread "Grassing on a colleague" well in my opinion for the reasons I stated in that thread they aint no colleagues of mine.....

But in this environment it is sadly one of only a few things you can do in highlighting the mistakes / problems caused in not doing the job properly by these people who are ignoring RM's own rules

As an individual some do feel uncomfortable in raising these issues with management as you get ignored then often targeted, hence the reason we are in a trade union, and I must say shame on them in not protecting it's membership.....

This issue should be top of their agenda in my opinion, because it's not only that these runners and people who will not follow rules or fail to use authorised equipment are 1. putting their own health at risk and 2. providing a poor service to the customer, but more importantly management are using them to Bully and Harrass people who do follow the rules !!!!!!!! .... They know it goes on so come on Do Something About It PROTECT YOUR MEMBERS:Applause ..... In any case we as members should feedback via Greivance or if it gets that bad B & H charges or even just word of mouth, but lets all constantly get on to our rep/area rep and whoever and keep them informed on what's going on,,,,,

Wise words and 100% correct. Unfortunately, in my experience,our union have no interest in individual members legitimate problems and will ignore them until they go away. I have got far as the regional rep but they will say anything to placate you then proceed to do absolutely NOTHING. This is a national disgrace.

[trythat]

We have the same problem in our office, the guys just won't use the trolleys, of course this means they finish early, and then moan when they may have to stay and do some IPS. We've tried the H&S route as well, but as ronpetetrevchris says, if our members won't use the supplied kit and managers won't/can't go out and check then as reps we're on to a loser.

TBH it's probably going to take someone hurting themselves because of carrying a bag, and risk some serious grief before anyone takes any notice, and by then it will be to late.

[hantsman]

Forget managers turning a blind eye,what is the rep doing about it?

What can a rep do?

The obvious answer is - pass it up the food chain.
Or are you saying Area and Divisional reps aren't interested either?

What im saying is, there isnt a route i didnt try.

Lino, dom, dsm, area rep,h+s rep, h+s area rep, planner, lead planner, area planner, dsm's boss (whatever he is called) even got in touch with hq myself through frustration who said they would put our d.o on a list of offices that werent using equipment properly - that got passed to my dom, who, you will never guess what, said "who us sir, you must have that wrong". If you can tell me anywhere else to go please tell me. Not that it will do anygood because at the end of the day everyone in the know knows trolleys cant be used within the time scale Geo says, and that affects the budget and that means we have Bob Hope!

This is my experience only if you are fighting it good you for you and good luck.

How about an email to Moya,

just be careful though you knoq how spiteful RM can be

[POSTMAN]

Yes do the Moya route,they DO read the emails!

justsayit@royalmail.com

And this for good measure...

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[Himaggen]

In at least the North West region this issue should not be happening.

I have seen an email from Anton Harding, (Director Collection & Delivery - North West England), to all his DSMs dated 08/09/11 which stresses that the employees must use the mandatory LWDTs.

In the case that your DO falls within the Area off one of Anton's DSMs, I'd contact him about the issue.

Obviously, on a Health and Safety basis, if your Local Manager is failing to ensure that his employees are following the SSOW etc. he may be failing in his duty under the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations. You could theoretically report the Manager to the Environmental Health Office.

[Cheetah]

In at least the North West region this issue should not be happening.

I have seen an email from Anton Harding, (Director Collection & Delivery - North West England), to all his DSMs dated 08/09/11 which stresses that the employees must use the mandatory LWDTs.

In the case that your DO falls within the Area off one of Anton's DSMs, I'd contact him about the issue.

Obviously, on a Health and Safety basis, if your Local Manager is failing to ensure that his employees are following the SSOW etc. he may be failing in his duty under the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations. You could theoretically report the Manager to the Environmental Health Office.

Excellent advice Himaggen, seems there are still 1 or 2 managers who care a toss about H&S of employees ...... But why don't the bl..dy union do more .....

We will have a WTL lets say about wearing cycle helmets and high vis then the manager watches individuals go out wearing neither... And does nothing, these measures are for all our health and safety and are there for a reason. They discuss overweight bags / carrying more than one bag at a time, yet never do we have management weight checks on pouches. They will stand and watch fools walk by them carrying 3 even 4 bags out to their cars (leaving them on full display in that car security my a..e ) and say nothing why do posties flout the H&S rules for their benefit and managers ignore them, it's too late when people get chronic back problems and it does often happen. We even had a manager use a van which had been signed out of order by a postman for a serious DANGEROUS mechanical defect use that van to convey posties after breifing the staff on van checks .The rep is aware of these indiscrepencies but does nothing....

H&S rules are meaningless if they are not implemented by management and the union and adhered to by posties....

[dvbuk55]

In at least the North West region this issue should not be happening.

I have seen an email from Anton Harding, (Director Collection & Delivery - North West England), to all his DSMs dated 08/09/11 which stresses that the employees must use the mandatory LWDTs.

In the case that your DO falls within the Area off one of Anton's DSMs, I'd contact him about the issue.

Obviously, on a Health and Safety basis, if your Local Manager is failing to ensure that his employees are following the SSOW etc. he may be failing in his duty under the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations. You could theoretically report the Manager to the Environmental Health Office.

Ah yes the email from AH is probably of the same ilk as the instructions from Theresa May to the Immigration Service - "well I told you so and so via email on blah de blah" - however if the DOM has the temerity to ask for additional staff because geo route is wrong, that the mail mix used has changed etc - do you think he's going to get it when it costs more money. AH is just covering his arse and the DOM is trying to get the work done however which way he can.

[pirate]

the planner in our office, told me trollys must be used at all times,he has even re done our walks to bigger loops so we have to use trollys letters in one side and has many over sized packets you can fit in the other side, he said were possiable you must not go to the same house twice, (once with mail then again with a oversized packet) i told him some parts of our walk we are able to do just has bundle of mail no bag or trolly needed he told me that is not to be done it must go in the trolly with the rest of the loop, he said they try to make all loops 40 mins long and they must be done this way as a board has to sign the walks off, when park and loop has bedded in and they wont sign them off if there not done this way.but i have heard the lino telling lads use your own jugement if you dont think you need to use the trolly dont.

[POSTMAN]

Of course the lino would say that,what did the rep say,what did the planner say after the rep told him.

[pirate]

me and my mate told the lino what the planner said, lino said nothing and walked off, the linos no nothing about park and loop, they just say what there told to say by the dom, one lino told me they have been told if they dont make it work , they will be shipped out to another office and never work there again he said he cant sleep at nights, .and hes only filling in for our lino who has gone off with stress. . stick to your guns lads use your trollys go in on time ,take your breaks your doing nothing wrong, linos got paid a nice bonus to bring this in and make it work . heres some of the replys what we have been told off different linos about using trollys, 1, use common sense if you dont think you need your trolly don't use it. 2 if your not willing to carry a bag you have no future with royal mail, 3,you must use trolleys at all times, the rep went to the dom and asked him, dom said trolleys must be used at all times . and one more thig the loops the planner came up with on his laptop are way out im now sat in the van after every loop waiting my mate to get back, the loops me and my mate did worked fine both back at van the same time no prob, but planner said the way we were doing it there were ten minute difference.in the loops oh yea and we never complete must of my walk his given to a part time lad to do, before we leave office last two days we have give him all my walk to do has we did not have time to do it by the time we left office,