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Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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fishtank
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

Post by fishtank »

Member 34 wrote:
These spans assume:-
Scheduled full time working of 8 hours including a 40 min meal break.
Vehicle (Rural/Bulk)
7.5
Effectively this is a full duty when travel is included
:hmmmm
I notice their maths hasn't improved... :arrrghhh
The 40min meal relief is built into the delivery.
The other 30mins is for travelling and vehicle checks etc.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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Just starting my 16 year in the Job,If this comes in i will probably be dead in another 16.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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No-one and I mean NO-ONE can be expected to work in extreme heat and extreme cold for that length of time, utterly ridiculous.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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This document is not agreed and was written in Febraury. Things have moved on a bit since the Workshops.

Remember this document is when you have walk sequencing and delivery methods.

But you have to read the whole document as there are two major constraints , the first is the arrival of wave 2 of your mail once you have sequencing and the new delivery spec.

So if you dont recieve your 40% of mail until 10 in the morning and you then have to prep , do your redirections , dead and tie up , travel out plus replishment time , then you will probalby struggle for a 3 and half walk. If you have your second 40% at 0900 you may get 4 hours in and if your recieve it early maybe a long span. Of course if you choose longer attendances it may be longer spans but those two criteria still remain at what time do you recieve your 40% and the last letter of 3.

Remember the maximum span includes replishment ( dead time ) and travel time.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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If I have to be out on delivery for 6 hours I'll be leaving. My joints are already screwed up and doubt I would even beable to cope with an extra hour added to the duty let alone 2.5hrs. What about toilet breaks, do they expect us to knock on peoples doors?(you have'nt got a parcel but can I use your loo :roll: )
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fishtank
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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dingo wrote:
Remember the maximum span includes replishment ( dead time ) and travel time.

Quite apt dingo........... :cuppa
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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dingo wrote:This document is not agreed and was written in Febraury. Things have moved on a bit since the Workshops.

Remember this document is when you have walk sequencing and delivery methods.

But you have to read the whole document as there are two major constraints , the first is the arrival of wave 2 of your mail once you have sequencing and the new delivery spec.

So if you dont recieve your 40% of mail until 10 in the morning and you then have to prep , do your redirections , dead and tie up , travel out plus replishment time , then you will probalby struggle for a 3 and half walk. If you have your second 40% at 0900 you may get 4 hours in and if your recieve it early maybe a long span. Of course if you choose longer attendances it may be longer spans but those two criteria still remain at what time do you recieve your 40% and the last letter of 3.

Remember the maximum span includes replishment ( dead time ) and travel time.
You really believe that dont you. :left:
Steviea34
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

Post by Steviea34 »

mclovin wrote:
dingo wrote:This document is not agreed and was written in Febraury. Things have moved on a bit since the Workshops.

Remember this document is when you have walk sequencing and delivery methods.

But you have to read the whole document as there are two major constraints , the first is the arrival of wave 2 of your mail once you have sequencing and the new delivery spec.

So if you dont recieve your 40% of mail until 10 in the morning and you then have to prep , do your redirections , dead and tie up , travel out plus replishment time , then you will probalby struggle for a 3 and half walk. If you have your second 40% at 0900 you may get 4 hours in and if your recieve it early maybe a long span. Of course if you choose longer attendances it may be longer spans but those two criteria still remain at what time do you recieve your 40% and the last letter of 3.

Remember the maximum span includes replishment ( dead time ) and travel time.
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These documents have had no CWU involment...the ink is not even dry yet!!!
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doesnt matter if it is agreed or not going by election payments fiasco.

Dingo occasionally you make a decent post, But it is surely time you tried a different tune because you prefered one sure is getting boring.
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Member 34
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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fishtank wrote:
Member 34 wrote:
These spans assume:-
Scheduled full time working of 8 hours including a 40 min meal break.
Vehicle (Rural/Bulk)
7.5
Effectively this is a full duty when travel is included
:hmmmm
I notice their maths hasn't improved... :arrrghhh
The 40min meal relief is built into the delivery.
The other 30mins is for travelling and vehicle checks etc.
But unfortunately it doesn't explicitly state that.

And believe me, our managers need things explicitly stated!

When they introduced longs and shorts last year, the longs were longer than the shorts were short. (If you see what I mean :Very Happy )
Lots of people didn't notice and ended up working a little for free. They will use any kind of dodgy maths and vague documents if it suits their cause. :mad
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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dingo wrote:This document is not agreed and was written in Febraury. Things have moved on a bit since the Workshops.

Remember this document is when you have walk sequencing and delivery methods.

But you have to read the whole document as there are two major constraints , the first is the arrival of wave 2 of your mail once you have sequencing and the new delivery spec.

So if you dont recieve your 40% of mail until 10 in the morning and you then have to prep , do your redirections , dead and tie up , travel out plus replishment time , then you will probalby struggle for a 3 and half walk. If you have your second 40% at 0900 you may get 4 hours in and if your recieve it early maybe a long span. Of course if you choose longer attendances it may be longer spans but those two criteria still remain at what time do you recieve your 40% and the last letter of 3.

Remember the maximum span includes replishment ( dead time ) and travel time.
Very naive of you dingo, all they will do is push peoples start time back to accomodate the later waves (and don't mention the 'no fulltimer will start later than 7am' bit because we know that they just do what they want) and that way you will be out for hours on end - delivering.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

Post by drb »

Dingo, I think you have to make us aware of the power you guys have of making us aware of managers having their "own policies",and what HQ will do about it.It is no good leaving reps not equipped to deal with this stuff.

Assure us of the above stated.Assure the reps.Assure the membership.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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Not niave at all , if your 40% of work does not hit your office till 10 o clock and you still need to throw up your work , redirections , dead , collect your PS and tie up and travel , it does not mater one bit if you start latter the last letter cannot be later than 3. So how you going to do it unless you have more people preping walks which goes against the issue getting efferecincy up.
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Re: Delivery Duty Design Principles:Doc

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dingo wrote:
So if you dont recieve your 40% of mail until 10 in the morning and you then have to prep , do your redirections , dead and tie up , travel out plus replishment time , then you will probalby struggle for a 3 and half walk. If you have your second 40% at 0900 you may get 4 hours in and if your recieve it early maybe a long span. Of course if you choose longer attendances it may be longer spans but those two criteria still remain at what time do you recieve your 40% and the last letter of 3.
Sounds like 2 deliveries could return.

60% prep + packets first followed by a return to office to prep the remaining 40% then out again.

6hr delivery span with 4 hours travel/indoor work = 10 hrs/4 day week