nelp wrote:What people fail to notice is the vast majority of deals get voted in, Because the vast majority of people agree with the leadership,and realise that they are trying to save our jobs.
No they don't.
The vast majority of deals get voted in because most people don't see any alternative.
The union likes it that way.
I think this deal proves it.
As Lovejoy says "There is no plan b"
IPS wrote:I know exactly what you are saying and I do agree for as long as the ballot is an option. What you need to do is send a clear message to the union that this agreement is not acceptable to the vast majority of people.
However (there is always a however isn't there?) We also need to look at how the CWU managed to trump to the press that this was so brilliant and how we will all be so rich beyond our wildest dreams because of their hard work the last four months.
This clearly was an agreement of the union's own survival, of Billy Hayes and David Wards continued pay checks and clearly not a lot more. If this vote does pass I will be quitting the union because it is a union that patently only has it's own interests at heart. (And I'll also need the money.)
As for being a rep and changing everything sadly that's a utopian view. The average postmen and women were not locked in talks, rather fat cats on both sides supping tea all day in expensive hotels paid for by the tax payer and union members. Both fighting for what was best for themselves.
I don't get this term "AGREEMENT" that is being used, what the CWU / RM have come up with is a proposal. Until WE vote on it and say yes or no and both sides officially sign up to it, it is nothing more that RM WISH LIST.
Fishtank some jobs will go but now the agreement says no more than 75% full time and 25% part time this allowes people to argue stongly for full time jobs as the current rate of part timers nationwide is 21%. We need to rember that the 25% 75% is not by office. Therefore we will be able to defend more jobs than if RM had got there 50% PT and 50% ratio that they were after.
My first reaction to the agreement was to vote then quit the union. But on reflection I don't have a problem with the union, I have a problem with HQ! I've decided to stay in as I support my local rep/branch as they have worked hard for me.
I would like to point out my signature to anyone from HQ,
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
Stormproof wrote:My first reaction to the agreement was to vote then quit the union. But on reflection I don't have a problem with the union, I have a problem with HQ! I've decided to stay in as I support my local rep/branch as they have worked hard for me.
I would like to point out my signature to anyone from HQ,
This is one of the best thought out posts on the union leaving problem.
Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole, forget the sun.
And when at last the work is done. Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
nelp wrote:Fishtank some jobs will go but now the agreement says no more than 75% full time and 25% part time this allowes people to argue stongly for full time jobs as the current rate of part timers nationwide is 21%. We need to rember that the 25% 75% is not by office. Therefore we will be able to defend more jobs than if RM had got there 50% PT and 50% ratio that they were after.
Some jobs will go.
Now there is an understatement.
Your post makes no sense.
A. The final number of full-time jobs in Royal Mail in 2012 WILL be LESS than in 2010.........FACT.
B. The ratio of part-time to full-time in Royal Mail will be HIGHER in 2012 than in 2010.........FACT.
If this agreement is voted in by the hard-up, those fearing the outcome of a NO vote, or simply because the apathetic will not have bothered to vote, yet again......I, and my £150 per annum, will be out of the CWU quicker than you can say Jack Robinson.
I will simply have had enough of this crappy union whittling away the conditions that make this job bearable.
I will take my chances without being robbed for the dubious privelage.
I expect lots of people to withdraw the funds from the union if this deal gets through. I'll be one but i'll just saving it a few months earlier than intended.
