The CWU have to pull the plug on the Labour Party

[Carnoustie]

I can only assume that you won't except anymore pay rises negotiated by the union from now on...

This time last year, I'd have made the same comment to someone who didn't support the strikes. But I've been in the union for many years and argued in my office, and on here (check past postings if you like) for a NO vote to the Pay & Modernisation deal.

The rank-and-file membership of this union had RM on the ropes at one point last year, another series of rolling strikes across different functions would have got them caving in. Inexplicably, however, the top brass of the CWU suddenly caved-in themselves and put a deal to the membership that got voted in because of two categories of people: the ones that didn't vote at all, and the pillocks who sold their soul for a £175 lump sum that wasn't even new money (it was from an Employee Share Of Savings Scheme containing money that was due to us anyway).

There comes a point when you have to face realities, lanesra123.

Many of the people who work for Royal Mail are good at supporting the union and will come out on strike - as I did - to get an improved pay offer. But I am afraid to say we are constantly let down by our top officials, who start out fighting on our behalf but end up fighting for their own political ambitions and become increasingly out-of-touch with the ordinary members whose subs pay their inflated salaries. We are also let down badly by those who don't even bother to vote on issues that affect their pay and their daily workload, and then grumble later about the changes the sh!te pay deal foists upon them.
The silent majority who vote in favour of poorly-negotiated deals, tempted no doubt by a lump sum payment, are the ones who make me feel I'm
You try finding anyone in your office who will admit voting Yes to either the Pay & Modernisation deal, the Way Forward deal etc etc. But statistically, there must have been people who did, because both deals got enough votes to go through.
I'm tired of being in an organisation whose leadership is only interested in 'looking after No1' and who are snookered by the apathy of a high percentage of those they lead. The union's influence and power has been massively eroded and now the very party that some of our subs go to, the Labour Party, is going to do to us what Thatcher did to the miners. Why the hell would any sane person pay their own executioner ???

[Blackandwhite_cat]

As disgusted as I am with Mandy's proposal, I can't believe people will leave the union over this. We as members ARE the union and division only weakens us and our positions. What I've wanted to ask someone is if the Coventry boys (and elsewhere?) go out on Friday, will we as a union be organising collections, at the very least, to support them?

[k979aaa]

As disgusted as I am with Mandy's proposal, I can't believe people will leave the union over this. We as members ARE the union and division only weakens us and our positions. What I've wanted to ask someone is if the Coventry boys (and elsewhere?) go out on Friday, will we as a union be organising collections, at the very least, to support them?

Who said anything of leaving the CWU i have not and never will!. BUT STOP FUNDING THE LEACHES OF OUR SERVICE AND OUR ETHOS THIER OF!.

[Barry Trotter]

As disgusted as I am with Mandy's proposal, I can't believe people will leave the union over this. We as members ARE the union and division only weakens us and our positions. What I've wanted to ask someone is if the Coventry boys (and elsewhere?) go out on Friday, will we as a union be organising collections, at the very least, to support them?

I was the person in my office who organised a collection for the burslem heroes. I am not union rep. Not one rep had even thought about it until I made up a collection box. I also stood back and let them all argue about which one of them was getting the credit for 'their' great idea. I was the the person who got a copy of the political fund opt out form from this sites forerunner and photocopied it 300 times before handing them out to all the posties in my delivery office and all the missort drivers in my city,to hand out in their offices. I also posted them out to other offices outwith the city who phoned and asked me. I am not a union rep. I again kept quiet when I heard a 'rebel' rep claiming to be the person who had orginised the opt out,even though he couldnt at that time lay his hands out a form for the person asking. I later gave the person the form.Unfortunately the union in my workplace seem to look after one group of people,themselves and their friends. I had a problem and opted to post my question on here to a rep from another office rather than go to my own rep. I can understand why people are so sick and tired of this unions failure to stand up to the labour party and why people are left pulling their hair out trying to understand why we continue to fund a political party who are hell bent on ruining our 300 year old company.

[BELIAL]

Why cut your nose off? Stay and vote out the backhander boys ,careerists and inept. Seems to me a much quicker way of getting satisfaction and useful change rather than letting them ride it out on easy street as our union withers on the vine?

[dvbuk55]

As disgusted as I am with Mandy's proposal, I can't believe people will leave the union over this. We as members ARE the union and division only weakens us and our positions. What I've wanted to ask someone is if the Coventry boys (and elsewhere?) go out on Friday, will we as a union be organising collections, at the very least, to support them?

I grow so weary of people saying "WE are the union" - wake up and smell the coffee B&W. What we are is a meal ticket for the inept, the raison d'etre for some to be in the public eye, a platform for political ambition and international causes of absolutely no benefit to those paying the subs - we aren't the union we are the mugs.

[Carnoustie]

I grow so weary of people saying "WE are the union" - wake up and smell the coffee B&W. What we are is a meal ticket for the inept, the raison d'etre for some to be in the public eye, a platform for political ambition and international causes of absolutely no benefit to those paying the subs - we aren't the union we are the mugs.

[stokes11eg]

I grow so weary of people saying "WE are the union" - wake up and smell the coffee B&W. What we are is a meal ticket for the inept, the raison d'etre for some to be in the public eye, a platform for political ambition and international causes of absolutely no benefit to those paying the subs - we aren't the union we are the mugs.

Hear-Hear.

[postie76]

Im losing faith with the CWU, doesnt matter who you vote for labour cons there all the same ,just puppets pre- elected by the elite scum to demoralise us and to keep us quiet, as they suck the counrty dry for there own personal gain, us the people need to revolt, merry christmas :lfo :cfo :mfo

please try watch this, very very good documentry

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[Sandyman]

It appears to me that our national elected leadership (we put 'em there) are even more out of touch with us, than a management that knows how to manipuilate people into using their cars and coming in early for no pay.

Fortune favours the brave, and the CWU exec is lacking in bravery, leadership, and the nerve to fight a good fight to defend our rights and a (once great) public service.

After the dispute of 2007 and now the spectre of part-privatisation, our union MUST campaign to stop funding the disgrace that is the Labour party.

I have a 25 year Union membership certificate proudly hanging, framed, on my wall. Ditch Labour or I'll burn it and put the video on youtube as a lasting legacy of being sold out by political opportunists masquerading as representatives.

Show some guts and end our association with Labour,

Yours Sincerely,

A lifelong Labour voter who now feels utterly betrayed and will not vote for Labour again.

[dvbuk55]

It appears to me that our national elected leadership (we put 'em there) are even more out of touch with us, than a management that knows how to manipuilate people into using their cars and coming in early for no pay.

Fortune favours the brave, and the CWU exec is lacking in bravery, leadership, and the nerve to fight a good fight to defend our rights and a (once great) public service.

After the dispute of 2007 and now the spectre of part-privatisation, our union MUST campaign to stop funding the disgrace that is the Labour party.

I have a 25 year Union membership certificate proudly hanging, framed, on my wall. Ditch Labour or I'll burn it and put the video on youtube as a lasting legacy of being sold out by political opportunists masquerading as representatives.

Show some guts and end our association with Labour,

Yours Sincerely,



Bravo! If only the branches would take the lead and confront HQ; but I fear they too are riddled with opportunists.

A lifelong Labour voter who now feels utterly betrayed and will not vote for Labour again.

[k979aaa]

It appears to me that our national elected leadership (we put 'em there) are even more out of touch with us, than a management that knows how to manipuilate people into using their cars and coming in early for no pay.

Fortune favours the brave, and the CWU exec is lacking in bravery, leadership, and the nerve to fight a good fight to defend our rights and a (once great) public service.

After the dispute of 2007 and now the spectre of part-privatisation, our union MUST campaign to stop funding the disgrace that is the Labour party.

I have a 25 year Union membership certificate proudly hanging, framed, on my wall. Ditch Labour or I'll burn it and put the video on youtube as a lasting legacy of being sold out by political opportunists masquerading as representatives.

Show some guts and end our association with Labour,

Yours Sincerely,

A lifelong Labour voter who now feels utterly betrayed and will not vote for Labour again.

NEW LABOUR DOES NOT EVEN EARN LABOUR IN IT'S TITLE!.

[mailman71]

i said this last year when brown got up in the commons and talked about getting these people back to work [US],that we should have pulled the plug on labour.
as a member of our union for over 30 years it saddens me to see the state we are in now,this pegasus is the final straw a device to hammer the posties into the ground and what does the union do about it jack s-it.
we had the best postal system in the world where you could post a first class letter in aberdeen one day and be deliver before 9-30 in plymouth the next day,now we are delivering till 2 and in some cases later than that and first class is taking more than 2 days to be delivered.
still in the world in which our masters live this is progress,they are doing what hitler could'nt , by bringing the mail service to its knees.

[k979aaa]

i said this last year when brown got up in the commons and talked about getting these people back to work [US],that we should have pulled the plug on labour.
as a member of our union for over 30 years it saddens me to see the state we are in now,this pegasus is the final straw a device to hammer the posties into the ground and what does the union do about it jack s-it.
we had the best postal system in the world where you could post a first class letter in aberdeen one day and be deliver before 9-30 in plymouth the next day,now we are delivering till 2 and in some cases later than that and first class is taking more than 2 days to be delivered.
still in the world in which our masters live this is progress,they are doing what hitler could'nt , by bringing the mail service to its knees.

Well said i know you don't post as much as some but, here speek's the voice of reason and truth honesty and justness!. I fully agree with you "mailman71"

[lanesra123]

I can only assume that you won't except anymore pay rises negotiated by the union from now on...

This time last year, I'd have made the same comment to someone who didn't support the strikes. But I've been in the union for many years and argued in my office, and on here (check past postings if you like) for a NO vote to the Pay & Modernisation deal.

The rank-and-file membership of this union had RM on the ropes at one point last year, another series of rolling strikes across different functions would have got them caving in. Inexplicably, however, the top brass of the CWU suddenly caved-in themselves and put a deal to the membership that got voted in because of two categories of people: the ones that didn't vote at all, and the pillocks who sold their soul for a £175 lump sum that wasn't even new money (it was from an Employee Share Of Savings Scheme containing money that was due to us anyway).

There comes a point when you have to face realities, lanesra123.

Many of the people who work for Royal Mail are good at supporting the union and will come out on strike - as I did - to get an improved pay offer. But I am afraid to say we are constantly let down by our top officials, who start out fighting on our behalf but end up fighting for their own political ambitions and become increasingly out-of-touch with the ordinary members whose subs pay their inflated salaries. We are also let down badly by those who don't even bother to vote on issues that affect their pay and their daily workload, and then grumble later about the changes the sh!te pay deal foists upon them.
The silent majority who vote in favour of poorly-negotiated deals, tempted no doubt by a lump sum payment, are the ones who make me feel I'm
You try finding anyone in your office who will admit voting Yes to either the Pay & Modernisation deal, the Way Forward deal etc etc. But statistically, there must have been people who did, because both deals got enough votes to go through.
I'm tired of being in an organisation whose leadership is only interested in 'looking after No1' and who are snookered by the apathy of a high percentage of those they lead. The union's influence and power has been massively eroded and now the very party that some of our subs go to, the Labour Party, is going to do to us what Thatcher did to the miners. Why the hell would any sane person pay their own executioner ???

I just about agree with all you say about the union members, the Labour party and those two usless twatts in charge (thats billy & Dave, not :lfo & :cfo ) but if as you said you handed in your notice to quit the union i hope you give your next pay rise to charity