3 into 4 v Current Structure

[tramssirhc]

Does moving to 3 into 4 involve more work for 3 posties to do compared with current 4 posties in 2 shared van model.
Will it take longer time wise/will it be more physically demanding

The short answer is it is 3 workers doing 4 workers jobs. There are numerous adjustments to the traffic so the workload will be different to the pre-DM26 profile. Really it's lapsing 1 in 4 duties with adjustment to the traffic. The agreement does say that the process is not complete until the office clears the daily workload every day. Part of the planning should be looking at duties and if they are within the specifications. The POD set up will not work with an uneven workload so putting 4 out of spec duties into 1 POD won't work. DM26 also needs all duties assigned a duty holder and for the leave reserve ratio to be correct (1 in 6).

Are there any duty specifications?
If there are, they are not adhering to them. Does anyone have an outline of these specifications?

More or less the question is can the outdoor be achieved in the duty time?

[Mr Rush]

It is one thing to say first class mail accounts for 5% of traffic, but if you deliver to an area where they subscribe to Private Eye, The Economist, Spectator or Guardian Week etc you get a lot more first class mail than other areas where they don't.

Never forget that 5% (or whatever it is) is an average. We've got lots of Private Eye subscribers on our duty (I used to be one of them) whereas the duty back-to-back with us does not. Presumably 1C traffic scales with overall traffic.

As an example, looking at the CSS numbers two weeks ago: the average callrate was 21% of which the lowest was 12% and the highest was 27% (note these are all rounded). We're typically close to the CSS average and on the same day I had 18 1C items. The min-max for the office would be around 10 to 23 items per duty. If I recall correctly, the duty with the lowest callrate that day has double the DPs of the duty with the highest callrate.

If duties were already appropriately sized for their expected traffic then it should follow that 1C-only delivery should require no adjustment. What really needs to be accounted for is packet volume because the duties that hardly had any letters twenty years ago still hardly get any but are now the worst for Tracked. The wonders of cheap credit, I guess.

[SpacePhoenix]

It is one thing to say first class mail accounts for 5% of traffic, but if you deliver to an area where they subscribe to Private Eye, The Economist, Spectator or Guardian Week etc you get a lot more first class mail than other areas where they don't.

Never forget that 5% (or whatever it is) is an average. We've got lots of Private Eye subscribers on our duty (I used to be one of them) whereas the duty back-to-back with us does not. Presumably 1C traffic scales with overall traffic.

As an example, looking at the CSS numbers two weeks ago: the average callrate was 21% of which the lowest was 12% and the highest was 27% (note these are all rounded). We're typically close to the CSS average and on the same day I had 18 1C items. The min-max for the office would be around 10 to 23 items per duty. If I recall correctly, the duty with the lowest callrate that day has double the DPs of the duty with the highest callrate.

If duties were already appropriately sized for their expected traffic then it should follow that 1C-only delivery should require no adjustment. What really needs to be accounted for is packet volume because the duties that hardly had any letters twenty years ago still hardly get any but are now the worst for Tracked. The wonders of cheap credit, I guess.

Currently only data from iLSMs and IMPs feeds into the DTS algorithm, personally I think there's no excuse for RM not having at least the data from flat sorting machines feeding into the algorithm as well, if not from any packet scanning or packet sorting on a packet sorting machine also feeding into the algorithm as well.

[Peabrain22]

But what happens when one is holding an seperate conference meeting in the corner over the world cup results secretly knowing there holding the other person back who's actually been ready to go for 10 mins and wouldn't be the strongest when it comes to patience.. the 2 peas in the pod need to be on the same page ones faster and sharper than the other we are going to run into problems

[hans solo]

It isn't just one walk of heavy and one walk of light when it comes to van shares.

Example using walks 1 2 3 4 Monday

Van share will do
3 days mail on all of walk 1
Plus tracked and first class on walk 2
Plus 2 loops of 2/3 days mail on walk 3
Plus 2 loops of tracked first class on walk 3

Singleton will.do
4 loops of 4 days mail from a bit of walk 3 and 4
4 loops of tracked and 1st class from a bit of walk 3 and walk 4

This then rotates so that the loops done the next day and so forth are the opposite when it comes to what's 2/3 days mail and what is tracked and 1st class.

Is it overly complicated? Yes
Will it work ? No
Do RM management have the brains.to land it? No
Who voted it in? Hardly anyone
Is it 3 people doing the work of 4? Yes

Myself and others have said this - why not make it really simple by having all duties oversized with the intention that you do 50 50 like proposed for rurals and singletons that aren't suitable for van share.

They'd get the 25% staff saving as 4 duties would be spread out into 3 big duties that you'd rotate delivering 50% everything and 50% parcels+1c.

Also that would apply to the rurals/singletons make them bigger.

Is it just me or is that a better idea ?

Or is that too easy ffs.

Above our near min pay grade im afraid
Let them stew in their own s**t