Would you strike to equalise pay and terms and conditions?

[yellowbelly]

Can understand the debate. However (and understandably) ALL our new starts do not take any of their unpaid break(s) in the middle of the duty time. They just work through and 'take it at the end so I can finish early' - so to the number crunchers this looks like there's time available in the office.

[yellowbelly]

Ralph Ferret put up a video saying these types of posts that are showing royal mail, they can do what they want is part of the problem.
U've got a poll stating to royal mail we have no fight in us and that we aren't united.

buchanpeter: Do you have a link to this video?

[yellowbelly]

Isn't a branch having a zoom video branch AGM somewhere with Tony Bouch guest speaking? (I can't remember what thread it was on).

They should make it a 'view only' for anyone outside the branch who wants to see what gets said.

Don't even get minutes for our branch meetings as we're very remote from the Branch HQ.

[toonshola]

I’ll strike for anything the union want me to on one condition. Dave and Martin are removed immediately from their positions. Replace them with someone like Ralph Ferret who has done a lot of videos on Facebook recently. He seems more clued up on things and would be less of a dictator than Kim Jong Ward who seems to be a giant immovable object within the union.
As long as those two are still running the show I’ll vote against everything they ask.

[tramssirhc]

Ralph Ferret put up a video saying these types of posts that are showing royal mail, they can do what they want is part of the problem.
U've got a poll stating to royal mail we have no fight in us and that we aren't united.

Ralph Ferrett should get his own house in order before he starts telling us what to do. Instead of the scare tactics he should be telling his mates on full time release to get their arses out there and start organising their patches. Martin's told the full time bag avoiders to get out and do something. As usual they've ignored him.

[tramssirhc]

I’ll strike for anything the union want me to on one condition. Dave and Martin are removed immediately from their positions. Replace them with someone like Ralph Ferret who has done a lot of videos on Facebook recently. He seems more clued up on things and would be less of a dictator than Kim Jong Ward who seems to be a giant immovable object within the union.
As long as those two are still running the show I’ll vote against everything they ask.

Ralph's no less of a trade union bureaucrat than the rest of the full time bag avoiders.

[toonshola]

I’ll strike for anything the union want me to on one condition. Dave and Martin are removed immediately from their positions. Replace them with someone like Ralph Ferret who has done a lot of videos on Facebook recently. He seems more clued up on things and would be less of a dictator than Kim Jong Ward who seems to be a giant immovable object within the union.
As long as those two are still running the show I’ll vote against everything they ask.

Ralph's no less of a trade union bureaucrat than the rest of the full time bag avoiders.

Yeah I kind of get that but at this point it just has to be anybody but Ward even if it’s just a temporary fix. Long term the union needs reformed and reshaped. First step would be capping the general secretary’s salary to £70k and they can have the other half (which Ward gets for naff all) based on actual results gained for the paying members.

[Acca Dacca]

I’ll strike for anything the union want me to on one condition. Dave and Martin are removed immediately from their positions. Replace them with someone like Ralph Ferret who has done a lot of videos on Facebook recently. He seems more clued up on things and would be less of a dictator than Kim Jong Ward who seems to be a giant immovable object within the union.
As long as those two are still running the show I’ll vote against everything they ask.

Ralph's no less of a trade union bureaucrat than the rest of the full time bag avoiders.

Out of interest, if you were a senior rep in an alternative union how would YOU do their job whilst still doing a round everyday?

A lot of your “bag avoider” stuff and a lot of your posts in general come across as jealousy more than anything else just being honest with you. You make some good points but this sort of stuff lets you down.

If I’m paying over a hundred a year for membership I don’t want my senior union reps to be distracted doing deliveries

I get the sentiment but it’s just crazy to suggest senior reps should be doing deliveries everyday too

This post in particular has wound me up because of your even going against guys like Ralph Ferret who in my experience has been as good as you can get when it comes to a rep then it seems like there really is no pleasing you

[tramssirhc]

I’ll strike for anything the union want me to on one condition. Dave and Martin are removed immediately from their positions. Replace them with someone like Ralph Ferret who has done a lot of videos on Facebook recently. He seems more clued up on things and would be less of a dictator than Kim Jong Ward who seems to be a giant immovable object within the union.
As long as those two are still running the show I’ll vote against everything they ask.

Ralph's no less of a trade union bureaucrat than the rest of the full time bag avoiders.

Out of interest, if you were a senior rep in an alternative union how would YOU do their job whilst still doing a round everyday?

A lot of your “bag avoider” stuff and a lot of your posts in general come across as jealousy more than anything else just being honest with you. You make some good points but this sort of stuff lets you down.

If I’m paying over a hundred a year for membership I don’t want my senior union reps to be distracted doing deliveries

I get the sentiment but it’s just crazy to suggest senior reps should be doing deliveries everyday too

This post in particular has wound me up because of your even going against guys like Ralph Ferret who in my experience has been as good as you can get when it comes to a rep then it seems like there really is no pleasing you

Other unions do better with less. Why anyone would be jealous of selling out is beyond me. The minute you take paid full time release you're compromised. Most members have absolutely no idea who these people are. And they're paying for these people to have a life off the bag. No union position should be for life. Yet look at this lot. Years and years off the bag.

[scotchy1962]

Acca you will never get trams to turn from what he believes, it may be crud to us but to him it is the gospel according to saint Karl Marx, even if the union managed somehow to get a result he would still carp on, it's all he knows.
Obviously some "bag avoider" slighted him at some stage in his RM career and he never got over it, who knows.
It's people like him who like to muddy the waters at a time when you need to be together to push back as one.

[postpersondorset]

what so we are all on the same wage .
yes if it means I get the same as old PHG's in London ( London waiting is more I think)
yes if i get the same as a person driving a big van.

[Perseus]

Ralph was saying on a recent CWU post on facebook that more and more units in his area want a strike vote.
Would they seriously consider having regional strike ballots?

[Acca Dacca]

what so we are all on the same wage .
yes if it means I get the same as old PHG's in London ( London waiting is more I think)
yes if i get the same as a person driving a big van.

Oh cmon now

[tramssirhc]

Acca you will never get trams to turn from what he believes, it may be crud to us but to him it is the gospel according to saint Karl Marx, even if the union managed somehow to get a result he would still carp on, it's all he knows.
Obviously some "bag avoider" slighted him at some stage in his RM career and he never got over it, who knows.
It's people like him who like to muddy the waters at a time when you need to be together to push back as one.

You can't defend the indefensible. Neither Fury nor Walsh could be bothered to stand up when the rest of the room did at the south west south Wales meeting. There's not one trade union bureaucrat whose slighted me, ever. I'll take no lessons from them or you.

[postslippete]

To those voting no. Be aware that it's likely that once the legacy staff are a big minority then that's then the equalisation will happen when they all get pay reduced to match the new contracts. So if we do don't get them up then legacy are likely going down.

Paid breaks, supplements and contractual conditions can’t just be removed unilaterally by RM because the business prefers to hire more people on inferior contracts. Any real equalisation downward would require negotiation, agreement or buyouts as compensation.

Whether the business chooses to accept it or not - the two-tier workforce has caused them issues. Many of the new entrants that I've worked with are simply not as productive. If you were on less money than staff for doing exactly the same job, would you put in the same amount of effort? Some of them have left the business altogether and there's a massive hidden cost in training, uniforms etc. Giving them their own duties or pairing them up with faster, more experienced posties isn't the answer. They know that they are underpaid and unless RM addresses this, the cycle of lower productivity and increased pressure on experienced staff will continue.

And in the long run, it isn't cost saving nor efficient - it's operational instability.