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50% parcel increase

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Martin Walsh
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by Martin Walsh »

Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
Rommagic
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by Rommagic »

We the only company with xmas cards also.
ted_e_bear
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by ted_e_bear »

Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
norris9
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by norris9 »

Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
So how likely is it that a level playing field will eventually happen? It's been like this for many years now, why has nothing changed?
Hitcher
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Re: 50% parcel increase

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ted_e_bear wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 06:14
And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
Except our own people do exactly the same things!
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Dorset Plodder
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by Dorset Plodder »

ted_e_bear wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 06:14

And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
Totally Agree Ted :thumbup

EVRI are Royal Mail's Greatest Advertising Coup. :dance They are sooo Bad that nobodie's got a good word for them. My area's having a lot of EVRI parcels stolen by their own couriers FFS! :shock:

Loads of my customers are Refusing to use them and say they'll go elsewhere unless the companies use Royal Mail. Like I say, ''You get what you pay for'' why this should surprise people is beyond me. It's a bit of a double edged weapon of course, because we end up with more work... But I suppose in the long run that's good for Royal Mail, and hopefully with a knock on effect to wage increases, more staff etc. :cuppa
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goldy2007
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by goldy2007 »

Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
It’s like a restaurant to a kebab shop both have a place but it’s not really competition

Rm with its infrastructure ( and just about still its reputation ) should be blowing these companies out of the water
kazardaimenu
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Re: 50% parcel increase

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Rommagic wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 05:47
We the only company with xmas cards also.
We have them but do we deliver them? Not for a few days now.
Mr Rush
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by Mr Rush »

Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
The levelling will be peaks bulldozed into valleys. Expect contract equalisation to tend toward that too.

Behold if current parcel volumes continue the entire surface of Britain will be covered in packets within 40 weeks.
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TopperGas
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by TopperGas »

ted_e_bear wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 06:14
Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
Given the amount of work going to EVRI, their courier on my duty said he hit a record 225 parcels earlier this week, suggests businesses don't care that RM offer a premium service, they just want the cheapest service.

Amazon seem the worse now at door stepping, they don't even ring doorbells or knock doors locally, and they are even delivering their own company's packets!!
ted_e_bear
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by ted_e_bear »

TopperGas wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 21:25
ted_e_bear wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 06:14
Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
Given the amount of work going to EVRI, their courier on my duty said he hit a record 225 parcels earlier this week, suggests businesses don't care that RM offer a premium service, they just want the cheapest service.

Amazon seem the worse now at door stepping, they don't even ring doorbells or knock doors locally, and they are even delivering their own company's packets!!
Yes the race to the bottom is well and truly in progress.
Hyrrokkin
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by Hyrrokkin »

TopperGas wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 21:25
ted_e_bear wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 06:14
Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
Given the amount of work going to EVRI, their courier on my duty said he hit a record 225 parcels earlier this week, suggests businesses don't care that RM offer a premium service, they just want the cheapest service.

Amazon seem the worse now at door stepping, they don't even ring doorbells or knock doors locally, and they are even delivering their own company's packets!!
Agreed - but there must come a point where companies get so much hassle from customers (refunds,bad reviews,lost business) because of Evri that they surely must consider dropping them even if RM are more expensive.
yellowbelly
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Re: 50% parcel increase

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ted_e_bear wrote:
13 Dec 2025, 06:14

And as we know they all dump items on doorsteps, often in plain view, often at the wrong address, often even when it's raining heavily, these shoddy practices must surely result in the sending customers incurring high amounts of claims so what if when bidding for these contracts Royal Mail could put strong emphasis on the fact they offer a "premium" service where that doesn't happen which obviously comes at a slightly higher price, if the outcome is they don't care then that indicates the race to the bottom is well and truly underway.
Trouble is people don't know they have to complain to the sender of the item (not Evri/Yodel whoever). Even if they do, the sending company/person fobs them off and says well the tracking says it's been delivered, tough - go to EVRI/Yodel customer service - ha joke! Then they just give up, shrug their shoulders and say 'Well it's EVRI isn't it'. You pays your money and makes your choice.

Must admit I've sent EVRI to my daughter who lives in student HMO but only to a nearby EVRI collection point. It's more reliable and slightly cheaper than sending to a domestic address.
scotchy1962
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Re: 50% parcel increase

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Martin Walsh wrote:
12 Dec 2025, 22:44
Parcel growth is important but remember under Royal Mail they have to pay National insurance , pension , paid holidays , sick leave , rates and rent for the building , purchase and maintenance of the van and the diesel for the van when bidding for parcel contracts.

Evri, yodel Amazon do not pay national insurance, do not get pay pension , do not pay leave , do not pay sick leave , do not pay for the vehicle or derv. Therefore they undercut Royal Mail in parcel growth and mean to maintain contracts Royal Mail have to reduce profit to stand still.

DHL do thinks in the UK which are illegal in Germany to get parcel volume.

This is why it is important to have a level playing field.
Good solid defence of the company Martin......
Tell me, who do you represent again and why would you defend someone who walks all over you and treats your members like something they stood in.
Not your problem, look after your members and leave the running of the company up to them.
norris9
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Re: 50% parcel increase

Post by norris9 »

Managers used to say 'Mail is down' when it clearly wasn't...

but this year it's obvious it's going down. I guess more companies/services have gone digital + the high cost of a stamp has put people off sending mail.

I feel that the decline in letters and the increase in parcels is going to go even more into overdrive in 2026.