Difference between old and new contracts in detail

[pm55]

Got some guys pre 2020 that are on legacy contracts don't have a set duty so they also get random days.

As far as I'm aware all reserves get random days off. We have some long term reserves who enjoy this role and don't mind not having set days off.

[A2B]

I admire you for your intention but I don't think you need to worry about figures 10 years in the future

Unfortunately RM will have no problems replacing any of us and the less longer serving staff the better in their eyes

[tramssirhc]

What's the CWU doing about it?

More than the PWRFC, unless of course, you can direct us to the relevant documentation covering their proposals that RM are considering

That's simply not true is it. The CWU are doing nothing.

[pinstripe]

What's the CWU doing about it?

More than the PWRFC, unless of course, you can direct us to the relevant documentation covering their proposals that RM are considering

That's simply not true is it. The CWU are doing nothing.

Show me the relevant documentation from the PWRFC then, and RM’s response

[SMS1969]

Legacy contracts get rolling days off including the long weekend every 6 weeks.
New entrants get random days off. So random in fact that it will NEVER be a Saturday.

Also legacy contracts are paid weekly vs monthly for the poverty contracts.

Not necessarily, I picked a single duty with a fixed day off and I’m legacy. My fault though, I knew this when picking it. Not had a Saturday off in ages.

[pm55]

I admire you for your intention but I don't think you need to worry about figures 10 years in the future

Unfortunately RM will have no problems replacing any of us and the less longer serving staff the better in their eyes

Yes, this does seem to be the case. This doesn't effect me so much as I won't be working for Royal Mail much longer, but it is difficult to see people 2 years in on the new terms, working hard, excellent at the job, a real respectable and capable Postie but paid so unfairly. You can almost see the light go out their eyes after all their effort to do the job well and improve, only to find out that they will never be paid equally no matter how long they work there.

I wanted to show the 10 year figures as we have two people hired a year apart at our DO. One started in July 2022, the other in June 2023. If they both work full time hours over the next 10 years, one will make £61,550 (£73,000) more than the other. That's the equivalent of one of them not being paid for 2.5 years over the next 10 years.

To see it clearly like that, maybe those who deserve to be paid better will look elsewhere for work and find something where their efforts are appreciated. If it helps one person do that then it's worthwhile.

[eviljack]

Get long weekends because they are duty holders.

Why?

[A2B]

Get long weekends because they are duty holders.

Why?

Because they signed for that duty with a set day/week assigned to that duty.

[jagger]

What, exactly, are you trying to achieve?
You say you are leaving soon so I wouldn’t worry about it if I was you.
Don’t let it eat you up. Enjoy your new (better paid?) job and forget about this shitshow.

[thefox]

Get long weekends because they are duty holders.

Why?

jesus wept.

[eviljack]

Get long weekends because they are duty holders.

Why?

jesus wept.

It’s a perfectly reasonable question. Stick your emojis up your arse.

[OikOik]

We seem to have no problems recruiting new starters at our DO, whilst that remains the case there seems no real incentive on RM to pay them any more, regardless as to whether legacy staff earn more money, it seems basically if you don't like what you are being paid then RM are content for you to get another job as you'll soon be replaced. If in the future recruitment does become an issue you only then will RM look at equalising the contracts, although by then new contracts staff might outnumber legacy staff anyway.

It's an employers market right now, job scene is s**t. So will always get applicants. As soon as something better comes along they will be off.

I guess problem is with this job is it takes a while to used to the routes, being efficienct etc etc where as other similar jobs such as being a courier, they just hand you some van keys and a pda and away you go.

[thefox]

Get long weekends because they are duty holders.

Why?

jesus wept.

It’s a perfectly reasonable question. Stick your emojis up your arse.

When you sign for a duty you get the set day off for that duty,you apply for the duty and if your senior enough you will get it everyone when they start gets random days off when a lot of us started it was only Sunday you got off unless you only started yesterday you really should know that's how it works.

[eviljack]

Get long weekends because they are duty holders.

Why?

jesus wept.

It’s a perfectly reasonable question. Stick your emojis up your arse.

When you sign for a duty you get the set day off for that duty,you apply for the duty and if your senior enough you will get it everyone when they start gets random days off when a lot of us started it was only Sunday you got off unless you only started yesterday you really should know that's how it works.

Thank you.

Well it’s a job where there is no onboarding and little to no training, so I don’t know why you would be surprised that someone wouldn’t know a thing like that.

And new starters are intentionally kept in the dark for obvious reasons ( above).

I’ve been in the job for two years and I’ve never had a single Saturday off - apart from the occasional one if I’m working on the Sunday.
Surely you can understand why I might feel a teensy bit hard done by.

[thefox]

You are hard done by that's a disgrace.