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[Acca Dacca]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

The only way that makes any savings is if they cut the number of walks and make all the others bigger

[mjd24]

They would get 100% of staff on board with any type of ODM if they made Saturdays a)shorter, b)1C, Specials and T24 only, and c)every other Saturday off.

They would get ODM on board if they made our job achievable in any sense of the word. Job is unachievable meaning morale has tanked extra badly over the last 5 years.

No other workplace conditions do this to their workforce for poverty wages.

I would love to see certain posters on this forum tell me differently and defend RM/CWU... With facts of course

You now like facts?

[SkiSunday]

You don't? Unless it's about personal preference of course

[claretandblue]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

It's 8 into 7, so you lapse 1 walk between 7 of you (3 pairs and 1 singleton)

[SkiSunday]

They would get 100% of staff on board with any type of ODM if they made Saturdays a)shorter, b)1C, Specials and T24 only, and c)every other Saturday off.

They would get ODM on board if they made our job achievable in any sense of the word. Job is unachievable meaning morale has tanked extra badly over the last 5 years.

No other workplace conditions do this to their workforce for poverty wages.

I would love to see certain posters on this forum tell me differently and defend RM/CWU... With facts of course

You now like facts?

You've had over 200 posts deleted since your last one...6 weeks ago.

[TopperGas]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

It's 8 into 7, so you lapse 1 walk between 7 of you (3 pairs and 1 singleton)

So RM hoped to lose one member of staff out of 4 (25%) whereas the CWU are now proposing one out of 8 (12.5%) that would mean the £300m savings originally hoped for would be cut to just £150m, so it's hardly surprising RM aren't too keen on the counter proposals, I assume they'll eventually be an agreement somewhere in the middle.

[Perseus]

The devil will always be in the detail, but like anything in RM it'll be thrown together and expected to work. It's so arbitrary though, 4 into 3 won't work, but 8 into 7 will. I know that 4 into 3 WOULD work on many routes in our office if they simply made the routes even, but alas it seems we aren't now going to be doing it.

[qwerty2]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

It's 8 into 7, so you lapse 1 walk between 7 of you (3 pairs and 1 singleton)

That's like what we're doing now!!!!

[tramssirhc]

It's more waffle. The CWU has been waffling for decades. The industry has simply carried on regardless. Ward and Walsh and the whole leadership will say anything to appear relevant. They just want your money, nothing else. Meanwhile they've been told by the industry it's business as usual. And just like all the other special relationships they've had it'll end with workers worse off. This one appears to be ending a lot quicker than the last one. What's Walsh gonna do? Get upset like Pullinger did when Thompson broke up with him in the cafe at Waterloo station. Its pathetic.

[Perseus]

CWU have sent RM a strong letter complaining that they are being left to do all the work with getting the staff onside with the 'ground breaking deal' - ignored.
They have complained that the ODM isn't working and have submitted an alternative which the company won't go for as the savings are negligible - ignored. Even TB on the video today said the ball is in RM's court - it is and always will be, it seems.

It's pretty clear that things are going to be pressed ahead with in the next month or so on RM's terms and they don't care if the 4 conditions of the CWU on ODM are met. When RM said a few years ago that they wanted to change how they liase with the CWU and simply consult with them and tell them how it's going to work, they weren't kidding.

[hewittinspain]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

I thought it was two posties taking one walk between you and then you both go and do the 1C and tracked off the other walk.
The money would be saved as you are also doing some part of another duty which in effect will just be a lapsing duty which there maybe more of them in your office then there currently is.
It's all confusing but that's how I sort of read it

[datasaint]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

I thought it was two posties taking one walk between you and then you both go and do the 1C and tracked off the other walk.
The money would be saved as you are also doing some part of another duty which in effect will just be a lapsing duty which there maybe more of them in your office then there currently is.
It's all confusing but that's how I sort of read it

It's two duties in a van share, walk 1 is everything, walk 2 is 1st class/tracked, only, then you take extra from the 8th walk that has been lapsed.

You then do walk 2 full next day and walk 1 light, so on.

[datasaint]

It's clear RM are only interested in significant savings moving forward. Who'd have guessed it with EP group's money on the line.

The service will continue along in its current broken form until letters wither away. That is the plan, the days of fulfilling the USO to an efficient standard are behind us.

[hewittinspain]

I don't understand the light and heavy days, if one postie is doing the full duty on one round and the other just Tracked etc on the other, where's the company saving any money as they still have to employ two posties to cover the two duties?

I thought it was two posties taking one walk between you and then you both go and do the 1C and tracked off the other walk.
The money would be saved as you are also doing some part of another duty which in effect will just be a lapsing duty which there maybe more of them in your office then there currently is.
It's all confusing but that's how I sort of read it

It's two duties in a van share, walk 1 is everything, walk 2 is 1st class/tracked, only, then you take extra from the 8th walk that has been lapsed.

You then do walk 2 full next day and walk 1 light, so on.

So basically you would both share walk one and then both go around walk two together in the same day and do the tracked/1C then go and both do the lapsing duty afterwards?

[Rve83ndxd]

So basically you would both share walk one and then both go around walk two together in the same day and do the tracked/1C

We don't even do that now. Where will the savings come from