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When is the ballot?.

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Re: When is the ballot?.

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Seymour Buts wrote:
16 Jul 2025, 14:52
Ren Hoëk wrote:
15 Jul 2025, 19:42
They will drag it out as long as possible. There is no good reason they cant get the ball rolling now. They want to tour the offices to sell it. They want you to be so exhausted with the process that you vote yes just to be done with it.
If they didn't do that, everybody would accuse them of making us vote on something we know nothing about. So they can't win, can they?
Not much to know it's supposedly a "no strings" pay rise.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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Ballot Timetable / USO update

We wanted to update representatives and members on both the Royal Mail Group Pay Ballot and USO Negotiations.

We are meeting with the independent scrutineers who will run the ballot on Monday and will publish a timetable next week. We will also announce a range of membership communication plans.

On the USO, negotiations have continued this week as we aim to reach a National Agreement.

These meetings have covered a range of important issues, including the priority of ensuring the pilots are evaluated and where necessary fixed ahead of any further deployment. This is absolutely crucial if we are to build confidence in both the pilot units and the wider membership.

These negotiations were never going to be easy. There are issues which have led to some of the pilot units not achieving either quality of service or a fair and achievable workload. We will not reach an agreement until these issues are resolved.

Talks will continue next week and we are meeting with our Postal Executive and Divisional Reps on Monday to give them a full update. They will then be charged with ensuring meetings are taking place across the UK to update members.

Whilst OFCOM have made a decision on the change to the USO, it does not alter the fact that any USO change can only be deployed through a National Agreement between Royal Mail and the CWU. It is vital every CWU Branch is making this clear to our members in the workplace.

Any agreement on the USO will be voted on by the CWU membership.

We will give you a further update later next week.

Martin Walsh
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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POSTMAN wrote:
18 Jul 2025, 16:49
Ballot Timetable / USO update

We wanted to update representatives and members on both the Royal Mail Group Pay Ballot and USO Negotiations.

We are meeting with the independent scrutineers who will run the ballot on Monday and will publish a timetable next week. We will also announce a range of membership communication plans.

On the USO, negotiations have continued this week as we aim to reach a National Agreement.

These meetings have covered a range of important issues, including the priority of ensuring the pilots are evaluated and where necessary fixed ahead of any further deployment. This is absolutely crucial if we are to build confidence in both the pilot units and the wider membership.

These negotiations were never going to be easy. There are issues which have led to some of the pilot units not achieving either quality of service or a fair and achievable workload. We will not reach an agreement until these issues are resolved.

Talks will continue next week and we are meeting with our Postal Executive and Divisional Reps on Monday to give them a full update. They will then be charged with ensuring meetings are taking place across the UK to update members.

Whilst OFCOM have made a decision on the change to the USO, it does not alter the fact that any USO change can only be deployed through a National Agreement between Royal Mail and the CWU. It is vital every CWU Branch is making this clear to our members in the workplace.

Any agreement on the USO will be voted on by the CWU membership.

We will give you a further update later next week.

Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary Postal

I’m not sure how these union ballots normally work but the deal was announced weeks ago and if they’re only now beginning the scrutineer process, then using that as an excuse for the delay is clearly a deliberate tactic. The pressure shouldn’t be on the scrutineers but the CWU leadership to get the process moving!! We are still waiting for a firm timetable but it’s obvious that they need more time to sell the deal. They know that the longer they drag this out, the more fed up members become and just like the last time, the more likely it is that people will vote "yes" to move on.

What’s more concerning for me is the situation with these USO pilot units. Some of them have clearly failed with QoS failures and workloads anything but fair or achievable. But instead of demanding any immediate pause or rollback all we’re hearing instead is talk of “fixing” them while negotiations continue. Even though Martin says that no USO change can happen without a National Agreement that is voted on by members - what’s the point of having a vote if known failures are already being ignored or brushed aside?? :hmmmm

It feels more like damage control than leadership to me.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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When is it?.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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Rommagic wrote:
21 Jul 2025, 16:23
When is it?.
Not happening - seen what's going on in Scotland
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=116779&start=30
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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qwerty2 wrote:
21 Jul 2025, 19:36
Rommagic wrote:
21 Jul 2025, 16:23
When is it?.
Not happening - seen what's going on in Scotland
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=116779&start=30
That is separate from payrise.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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Serious question but what’s the hold up?
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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RM will just threaten to remove release from reps and to end extraction of subs from wages and the union will roll over.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 07:23
RM will just threaten to remove release from reps and to end extraction of subs from wages and the union will roll over.
Yep. That’s why the union are hilarious when they keep putting out brave statements about not agreeing to any uso changes until their demands are met. They hold absolutely no power after screwing everything up over the last few years of Wards shambolic leadership and Royal Mail know it.
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Clock ticking.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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toonshola wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 11:33
SpacePhoenix wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 07:23
RM will just threaten to remove release from reps and to end extraction of subs from wages and the union will roll over.
Yep. That’s why the union are hilarious when they keep putting out brave statements about not agreeing to any uso changes until their demands are met. They hold absolutely no power after screwing everything up over the last few years of Wards shambolic leadership and Royal Mail know it.
Yup. And if Kretzinsky and his cohorts have any business sense, which they clearly do, they will be targeting processing an management numbers next. :thumbup
I'm sure they won't be forgetting that OPG Delivery duties are plentiful and failing daily. Processing and Management seem to be the parasitic jobs that the business is currently hemorrhaging money to.
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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how do i remove my union subs, fed up no getting my payrise
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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Surely u can hold on a little longer
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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SkiSunday wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 13:14
toonshola wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 11:33
SpacePhoenix wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 07:23
RM will just threaten to remove release from reps and to end extraction of subs from wages and the union will roll over.
Yep. That’s why the union are hilarious when they keep putting out brave statements about not agreeing to any uso changes until their demands are met. They hold absolutely no power after screwing everything up over the last few years of Wards shambolic leadership and Royal Mail know it.
Yup. And if Kretzinsky and his cohorts have any business sense, which they clearly do, they will be targeting processing an management numbers next. :thumbup
I'm sure they won't be forgetting that OPG Delivery duties are plentiful and failing daily. Processing and Management seem to be the parasitic jobs that the business is currently hemorrhaging money to.
No savings to be made removing jobs from processing, some shifts are virtually all casuals. There's only scope to remove jobs from deliveries
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Re: When is the ballot?.

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 19:40
SkiSunday wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 13:14
toonshola wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 11:33
SpacePhoenix wrote:
22 Jul 2025, 07:23
RM will just threaten to remove release from reps and to end extraction of subs from wages and the union will roll over.
Yep. That’s why the union are hilarious when they keep putting out brave statements about not agreeing to any uso changes until their demands are met. They hold absolutely no power after screwing everything up over the last few years of Wards shambolic leadership and Royal Mail know it.
Yup. And if Kretzinsky and his cohorts have any business sense, which they clearly do, they will be targeting processing an management numbers next. :thumbup
I'm sure they won't be forgetting that OPG Delivery duties are plentiful and failing daily. Processing and Management seem to be the parasitic jobs that the business is currently hemorrhaging money to.
No savings to be made removing jobs from processing, some shifts are virtually all casuals. There's only scope to remove jobs from deliveries
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