Clocking in early with SISO

[Ren Hoëk]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the

That’s fair enough but there’s people who turn up to work 1.5hr early but nothing is said to them because they don’t clock in when they get there? if I dont clock in when I walk in Id forget, just can’t see how getting to work 8 minutes early is worth being disciplined

If we can’t clock in then we shouldn’t be in the building.
The fire brigade will need the information to see who is onsite.

Again, f***ing bollox. There is a raging fire. Can you just quickly go and grab your laptop so we can check the SISO. SISO is not a reliable source of who is and isnt in the building. I don't scan out whilst out on delivery. What if there is a fire then? I could easily have returned for what ever reason.

[Ren Hoëk]

The only reason they want us to SCAN in and out on time is so they can accurately tell our attendance/productivity. If you scan in early and then dip off for a fag etc you are not productive but for the stats it looks like you are working. You are not. Then if you log out early it will still show on your attendance length as correct. Early but no harm no foul. In reality, you werent working the correct length.

They want to be able to use the data to plan duties. The more accurate it is the better for them.

[Perseus]

The only reason they want us to SCAN in and out on time is so they can accurately tell our attendance/productivity. If you scan in early and then dip off for a fag etc you are not productive but for the stats it looks like you are working. You are not. Then if you log out early it will still show on your attendance length as correct. Early but no harm no foul. In reality, you werent working the correct length.

They want to be able to use the data to plan duties. The more accurate it is the better for them.

There is about a million things you could be doing in between scanning in and then scanning out that aren't very productive, *someone who stands around chatting a lot to staff and customers over an 8 hour shift isn't being as productive as someone who just plods along on a 7 hour shift.

*just an example

[SkiSunday]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the

What a load of nonsense. Not insured. Really. Quite happy for you to run over ad hoc but not arrive early. As if thats how insurance works as well anyway. They will be insured 100% of the time.

So Early start, free labour at DOs is okay as long as the insurance is covered?

[Ren Hoëk]

The only reason they want us to SCAN in and out on time is so they can accurately tell our attendance/productivity. If you scan in early and then dip off for a fag etc you are not productive but for the stats it looks like you are working. You are not. Then if you log out early it will still show on your attendance length as correct. Early but no harm no foul. In reality, you werent working the correct length.

They want to be able to use the data to plan duties. The more accurate it is the better for them.

There is about a million things you could be doing in between scanning in and then scanning out that aren't very productive, *someone who stands around chatting a lot to staff and customers over an 8 hour shift isn't being as productive as someone who just plods along on a 7 hour shift.

*just an example

I agree. Thats for the manager to then manage on the spot. Scanning in early, the manager is often not about (ours isnt anyway) to insure productivity. Anyway, its about the data being accurate. They want you on shift and recorded correctly so they have accurate data. Its really that simple.

[Ren Hoëk]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the

What a load of nonsense. Not insured. Really. Quite happy for you to run over ad hoc but not arrive early. As if thats how insurance works as well anyway. They will be insured 100% of the time.

So Early start, free labour at DOs is okay as long as the insurance is covered?

Who said that? Is that really what you took away from what I just said? F me.

[heraldmoth]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the

That’s fair enough but there’s people who turn up to work 1.5hr early but nothing is said to them because they don’t clock in when they get there? if I dont clock in when I walk in Id forget, just can’t see how getting to work 8 minutes early is worth being disciplined

If we can’t clock in then we shouldn’t be in the building.
The fire brigade will need the information to see who is onsite.

Yup, genuinely endangering our emergency services members lives if there was a fire at the DO. f***ing clowns.

Pretty sure the fire service would provide a sweep of the premise's regardless of who was scanned in or out as a duty of care

[Chitchat]

If your working 2-3 hours a week extra for free, it could push you under the national minimum wage. Which I imagine wouldn't look good for royalmail.

[ebbzie]

I was pulled for a chat this morning for clocking in 8 minutes early, apparently I can’t clock in over 5 minutes before my shift starts or I will end up getting taken down the conduct route. I’ve never heard anything so ridiculous in my life that I can’t clock in to work early it’s not like I’m asking for 8 minutes extra pay. Can anyone advise on if this is even allowed or has anyone else had this happen with them? Thanks

If they dont want you clocking in 8 minutes early why is the building not locked? im guessing to let all the free early starters who give them 30/60 minutes for nothing everyday
Personally i sign in wheni get there usually 10 minutes early then make myself a drink and wait until start time before doing a thing , while watchibg the free workers starting the ips becuase they have already done there mec , unbelievably thick people

[Oscar_Grouch]

Forget all the fairy tale nonsense about insurance. This is actually about the powers that be holding management to account
The rogue managers are finally being managed.

The SISO data has to be consolidated with planned daily work schedules + recorded and authorised overtime.

They are being questioned on why the hours that we are recording through SISO are not matching the work that is being paid for.
Are they allowing free work?
Are they shaving off bits of overtime or otherwise trying to fiddle it?
Yes it's not a perfect system but it's a step in the right direction.

No trial or revision activity can ever truly work unless the work actually being done is actually recorded correctly and honestly.
And all we are being asked to do is register when we start and finish our working days.

Want to get in early for a slow brew to get your head ready, or just because that's when the bus gets you there?
Not a drama or legal risk at all, that's on your time. Just scan in when your ready to start working.

Need to head out the back once your done for a smoke and natter and general decompression with your mates before heading home?
Again, not a problem. But scan out first because that's your time not Royal Mail's.

[Perseus]

Purely anecdotal, but within our DO the only people that have been spoken to over this is those who they are trying to push out. It's pretty obvious that they accept 30-40 mins free clock in from some, but 10 mins from others got them spoken to.

If this all comes to pass though, will it bring an end to the practice of management adjusting finish times manually on SISO (which has been spoken about on here), or van shares taking turns at taking the van back etc?

[norris9]

What sort of mug gives RM free time? Why?

Yes men that give in to bullying managers who harass them if they bring mail back, so they start early so they can complete at their finish time.

It's time the CWU stepped in to get rid of the toxic culture in our offices caused by management.

[Delbhoy]

Forget all the fairy tale nonsense about insurance. This is actually about the powers that be holding management to account
The rogue managers are finally being managed.

The SISO data has to be consolidated with planned daily work schedules + recorded and authorised overtime.

They are being questioned on why the hours that we are recording through SISO are not matching the work that is being paid for.
Are they allowing free work?
Are they shaving off bits of overtime or otherwise trying to fiddle it?
Yes it's not a perfect system but it's a step in the right direction.

No trial or revision activity can ever truly work unless the work actually being done is actually recorded correctly and honestly.
And all we are being asked to do is register when we start and finish our working days.

Want to get in early for a slow brew to get your head ready, or just because that's when the bus gets you there?
Not a drama or legal risk at all, that's on your time. Just scan in when your ready to start working.

Need to head out the back once your done for a smoke and natter and general decompression with your mates before heading home?
Again, not a problem. But scan out first because that's your time not Royal Mail's.

pretty much nailed it there. when we went through a revision our rep told management to stop all the early starters coming in so a proper job could be done on the revision in fairness he did.

[scoobydo79]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the

Oh so if you go over your official finish time are you also un insured?

[GRS]

Yes they can disapline you for 8 minutes early as your not insured to be on the premises until your star time 5 minutes has been allowed so your ready for work at start time management turn a blind eye because it’s free work if anything happened to someone not on duty they would be in the