CHOOSING BETWEEN NEW SHIFT PATTERNS

[tramssirhc]

Hi all,
Our depot has just today been given 2 new shift options today to vote on
1 - 2 Saturdays off in every six weeks
2- 6 banked weeks ( so work 6 weeks then have a week off ), but also 2 Saturdays off every 6 weeks

Just wondered f anyone is doing either of these and the pros and cons you've noticed?
Or anyone who is about to vote on these shifts and the general feeling at work about them.
Must admit shift 2 appeals to me more if you can actually get your annual leave placed strategically to get as much break as poss.

The Wallington rotation is 5 weeks on, 1 week off. You do not 'bank' time. Its a rotation pattern which condenses the working time into a shorter period. In order to facilitate an additional Saturday off in this rotation your working will be further condensed. If that additional Saturday is prior to your week off that's quality time off.

Sorry you're going to have to explain that to me, surely you are "banking" your rest day for 5 weeks and taking 5 rest days in a row on the 6th week!

I'm not sure what you mean by "condensing" your working time either?

The Wallington rotation is not a system where time is banked. It is a rotation where the working hours are condensed into a shorter period of time giving a week of rest days. You wouldn't say you were banking time to have a day off in the rotation that gives a day off each week.

[A2B]

The Wallington rotation is not a system where time is banked. It is a rotation where the working hours are condensed into a shorter period of time giving a week of rest days. You wouldn't say you were banking time to have a day off in the rotation that gives a day off each week.

That makes zero sense to me, you wouldn't be banking a rest day if you take it and you will have to explain the condensing part because I really don't understand what you are trying to say

[A2B]

I thought the the plan has always have every one on 1 in 6
A day off every week on a rolling basis or 5 weeks working 6 days and a week off

Thought it was various options that were to be voted on by the office and that everyone had to go on the duty pattern that was selected

It was. But if anyone elses rep is like our, he's kept it hidden what the other shift patterns are and just basically said everyone's going on rota which funnily enough is what the managers want to.

All the duty patterns are available on this site

[Perseus]

I thought the the plan has always have every one on 1 in 6
A day off every week on a rolling basis or 5 weeks working 6 days and a week off

Thought it was various options that were to be voted on by the office and that everyone had to go on the duty pattern that was selected

It was. But if anyone elses rep is like our, he's kept it hidden what the other shift patterns are and just basically said everyone's going on rota which funnily enough is what the managers want to.

All the duty patterns are available on this site

As we are seeing out in the field though, some offices are being presented with a very limited choice which makes little or no difference to the amount of Saturdays they get off.

[ted_e_bear]

We have been told that we don't fit any of the 7 shift patterns due to high level of non drivers so who knows what we will end up on we will wait and see rumoured 1 in 6 which is worse than we currently have

What are you on now ? And surely 1 in 6 would actually be worse if you have a high level of non drivers as there'd be more staff in work on Saturdays when it's a parcel+1c mail only day so requires less staff and obviously needs drivers

[tramssirhc]

The Wallington rotation is not a system where time is banked. It is a rotation where the working hours are condensed into a shorter period of time giving a week of rest days. You wouldn't say you were banking time to have a day off in the rotation that gives a day off each week.

That makes zero sense to me, you wouldn't be banking a rest day if you take it and you will have to explain the condensing part because I really don't understand what you are trying to say

Long and short is you aren't saving up time to have a week off. Its a rotation system that has a week of rest days, plus the extra Saturday off.

[A2B]

Long and short is you aren't saving up time to have a week off. Its a rotation system that has a week of rest days, plus the extra Saturday off.

Of course you are!

Your obviously not going to explain yourself so best we leave it there

[ted_e_bear]

The Wallington rotation is not a system where time is banked. It is a rotation where the working hours are condensed into a shorter period of time giving a week of rest days. You wouldn't say you were banking time to have a day off in the rotation that gives a day off each week.

That makes zero sense to me, you wouldn't be banking a rest day if you take it and you will have to explain the condensing part because I really don't understand what you are trying to say

I think your assumption is correct in effect you save up your days off for five weeks then take them on the sixth, you get the same basic whatever your contract is pay every week so 37hrs if full time, that includes the rest week.

[tramssirhc]

Long and short is you aren't saving up time to have a week off. Its a rotation system that has a week of rest days, plus the extra Saturday off.

Of course you are!

Your obviously not going to explain yourself so best we leave it there

No one owes anyone anything. You aren't saving up time. We best not get into how your leave will be worked out if you can't alter your thinking about time being owed to you.

[Acca Dacca]

Long and short is you aren't saving up time to have a week off. Its a rotation system that has a week of rest days, plus the extra Saturday off.

Of course you are!

Your obviously not going to explain yourself so best we leave it there

No one owes anyone anything. You aren't saving up time. We best not get into how your leave will be worked out if you can't alter your thinking about time being owed to you.

I thought that system was you work your rest day every week for 5 weeks whilst still being paid for the basic 5 days and then Royal Mail instead of paying you for those 5 extra days worked owe you the sixth week off so you work 6 days for 5 weeks to get the 6th week off

[ted_e_bear]

I thought the the plan has always have every one on 1 in 6
A day off every week on a rolling basis or 5 weeks working 6 days and a week off

Thought it was various options that were to be voted on by the office and that everyone had to go on the duty pattern that was selected

It was. But if anyone elses rep is like our, he's kept it hidden what the other shift patterns are and just basically said everyone's going on rota which funnily enough is what the managers want to.

Have a look at this cwu ltb if you scroll down to the bottom there's a few downloads including all the attendance patterns

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-048-25-upda ... so-pilots/

[worktotime]

Hi all,
Our depot has just today been given 2 new shift options today to vote on
1 - 2 Saturdays off in every six weeks
2- 6 banked weeks ( so work 6 weeks then have a week off ), but also 2 Saturdays off every 6 weeks

Just wondered f anyone is doing either of these and the pros and cons you've noticed?
Or anyone who is about to vote on these shifts and the general feeling at work about them.
Must admit shift 2 appeals to me more if you can actually get your annual leave placed strategically to get as much break as poss.

are you one of the pilot offices ? , as the cwu has told no reps to be involved in any of this without any joint agreement beyond the pilot offices until it works , so if your dim is trying to push it through you need to contact your area rep and cwu HQS and inform them .

We've got the posters up (2 in 5, 2 in 6, Banked/Wallington) and we are not a pilot office. Commencing the week beginning September 15th. The trials are over - it's happening.

it doesnt matter what they have put up according to ward and walsh he said nothing will be going forward until they get the pilot offices working right so is that bullshit then ? maybe he can come on here and put everybody right on this then , this is what winds members up . come on MARTIN WALSH get yourself on here and answer these issues .

[norris9]

Screw doing a wallington/banked week in this line of work. 6 days of walking absolute miles to get 1 day off. Forget about the 1 week off every 6 weeks as every week you work will be an absolute drag.

[SMS1969]

Screw doing a wallington/banked week in this line of work. 6 days of walking absolute miles to get 1 day off. Forget about the 1 week off every 6 weeks as every week you work will be an absolute drag.

Aye it would be 4.30pm finish six days a week for 5 weeks at ours, then a week off. No thanks.

[TopperGas]

Screw doing a wallington/banked week in this line of work. 6 days of walking absolute miles to get 1 day off. Forget about the 1 week off every 6 weeks as every week you work will be an absolute drag.

It'll only be 5 days walking as no 2c mail is going to be delivered on a Saturday, personally I'd have thought having a full week, or a fortnight if you tagged on a week's holiday, preferably to having one day off a week.

Regardless I can't understand why each DO is one being given one duty pattern, why can't we have two patterns like most DO's do at present?