What can we expect realistically

[Wolf91]

it feels like RM are just going to force the changes through and there is going to be a battle. Strikes after strikes and sticking to our current contracts when management try to force us to work according to the changes RM want.

We are at war.

If you need money then I suggest you do overtime now to make up for any loss in income from all the striking we are about to do.

I certainly am - been booking 25 hours a week for the last month . Rinsing it completely

[Skuse]

We can expect the share price to keep dropping and when it hurts the big investors enough a change of CEO.

As long as the pay increase is a no strings deal then above 2% is an improvement

For the rest of it we fought for 25 yrs for our terms and conditions and iam not giving them up now.

well said

[Marshamp11]

The CWU agree to all RM demands with VR for all those that want it.

Now this is something I would vote for.

[dohnut]

The CWU agree to all RM demands with VR for all those that want it.

Now this is something I would vote for.

I hope your joking, as with 15 years service my redundancy package would be worth f**k all, good for all the old timers who had the glory years, and have been finishing 2 hours early for the last 20 years.

[aiden01]

The CWU agree to all RM demands with VR for all those that want it.

Now this is something I would vote for.

I hope your joking, as with 15 years service my redundancy package would be worth f**k all, good for all the old timers who had the glory years, and have been finishing 2 hours early for the last 20 years.

Dont take the vr package then he clearly says for those that want it. an where do you get bullshit all the old timers get to finnish 2hours early for last 20 years..

[Dorset Plodder]

Okay first of all lines in the sand.

That looks like a sensible package that I could live with WG.

People have been taking the piss out of the sick system for years, it bugs the crap out of the rest of us never mind the Management.

Can't think of any allowances my office has left, used to get difficult recruiting ... drivers ... early start ... all gone.

They're going to want to mess about with the parcels until we show them it's not working .... and then then they'll still insist it IS working.

As for later starts my DO's earmarked for up to two hours later start, which is not going to be popular, it's not just that actual finish time but then you've got to add on the drive home, with the school run, holiday traffic and perhaps the local rush hour!

[Seymour Buts]

Can't help but feel the union have s**t out with this 'no strings' stuff. Virtually everybody in this thread, me included, accept change is coming; it's about stopping them pushing through the more extreme changes.

[yellowbelly]

Can't help but feel the union have s**t out with this 'no strings' stuff. Virtually everybody in this thread, me included, accept change is coming; it's about stopping them pushing through the more extreme changes.

Spot on Seymour, we've got to fight or get totally steam rollered.

[rambo1]

So it's apparent royalmail are.playing hardball, they are not willing to meet us halfway, so realistically what can we expect at the end of this dispute, a win for me personally would be 6%, still have 1/4 Saturdays off, no banking of hours but a later start, I think this is a pipe dream, and it will be more like 4%, later start banking of hours and 1/6 Saturdays plus 1/8 Sundays.

Blimey, you still have 1/4saturdays off!

[rambo1]

Okay first of all lines in the sand.

No annualised hours, flexi-time and commit to deliver.

There are no versions of this I could sell to the members and to be honest I'm pretty sure they're unworkable. All of them potentially mean you have no control over your working hours and no work/life balance.


Potential compromises.

Changes to sick pay and possibly attendance trigger points, IHR and buyout of some allowances.
Phased implementation of parcel hubs and later starts but based on a latest 1500 final letter delivery with parcels only after that.

Pay.
Minimum 6% no strings with a further 3.5% subject to implementation of change.

No changes to terms for new starts.

So you think they'll make the final letter time an hr earlier than the current 4pm?

[rambo1]

The CWU agree to all RM demands with VR for all those that want it.

Where do I sign?

[Woody Guthrie]

So you think they'll make the final letter time an hr earlier than the current 4pm?

The current last letter time is based on delivering everything by then.

I would propose that we should aim to complete letter delivery by 3pm.

If members have to work into darkness it should be based around delivery of parcels from a van not walking the streets in the dark.

If a 5pm finish has to happen I believe it would be better managed if you could finish your letter delivery at 3pm and do another 2 hours of parcels.

[Mcclinton]

Agree entirely Woody, nothing worse than than stumbling round trying to deliver mail in the dark. Been there done that don’t like it!

[Cucumber]

If your office keeps HTC duties after the next round of revisions, how would that work if you were only delivering parcels after 3pm, for instance. (eg, 3-5pm)

[Woody Guthrie]

If your office keeps HTC duties after the next round of revisions, how would that work if you were only delivering parcels after 3pm, for instance. (eg, 3-5pm)

I think we're looking at such massive changes that it's pointless trying to think about how they would bolt onto existing practices.

It will require a complete change of the entire delivery process.

I personally doubt that pushing an HCT in the dark would pass any kind of genuine risk assessment.