Timeframe for clocking in/out machines - this year?

[priority102]

The panic on here is quite amusing, when what RM are doing is requiring employees to electronically sign in and out of work, thus being like almost every other current day modern employer. This is not defending the employer, merely saying it how it is.

Yes it is going to give another HUGE amount of actual data to those controlling the purse strings just like PDA Actuals and Trimble, and will make DOM's lives a further nightmare trying to balance keeping posties below and management above content, but moan or not it is coming in, the agreement was voted in and this was part of what RM wanted back in return for more pay.

When a new agreement is reached between RM and the CWU it is put to a ballot and sadly, many members only look at what %age pay increase and back pay is negotiated knowing it will be paid promptly, they only pay passing attention to what you've got to give back in return over a longer period and think that those times will never come, hoping the CWU will keep batting them away.

But the CWU have signed this agreement following a majority YES vote from its members, and RM have honoured their side by paying the wage increase, time for payback now people!

[TopperGas]

The accountants at the top know full well that delivery offices are haemorrhaging money because of piss poor management, this will highlight all the early finishing times, hours paid and not worked. Expect duties to be culled and the remaining to be massive.

Why would anybody be foolish enough to scan out before their actual finishing times?

[SpacePhoenix]

The accountants at the top know full well that delivery offices are haemorrhaging money because of piss poor management, this will highlight all the early finishing times, hours paid and not worked. Expect duties to be culled and the remaining to be massive.

Why would anybody be foolish enough to scan out before their actual finishing times?

Between the PDA actuals and the scan in/out they'll be able to tell how much time there was between when you arrived back at the DO and when you headed home

[mjd24]

The accountants at the top know full well that delivery offices are haemorrhaging money because of piss poor management, this will highlight all the early finishing times, hours paid and not worked. Expect duties to be culled and the remaining to be massive.

They may well be surprised at the amount of people coming in early and not taking breaks, it may end up costing more than it saves.

Whenever ive happened to be ready surprisingly early and get in to work maybe 10-15 minutes early, ive been shocked at the number of people not only already in but some must have been in at least half an hour before official start time.

Likewise the number of people who seemingly go over by 10+ minutes regularly, but never claim the overtime- and many of these have also come in early and not had any breaks.

Theres also the fact that ive always thought most of us are delivering/walking at a much faster pace than we would ever be expected to. I think once you join as a postie you just get swept along in the 100mph way of working that many have.

Obviously there are exceptions to all this!

[number one]

The panic on here is quite amusing, when what RM are doing is requiring employees to electronically sign in and out of work, thus being like almost every other current day modern employer. This is not defending the employer, merely saying it how it is.

Yes it is going to give another HUGE amount of actual data to those controlling the purse strings just like PDA Actuals and Trimble, and will make DOM's lives a further nightmare trying to balance keeping posties below and management above content, but moan or not it is coming in, the agreement was voted in and this was part of what RM wanted back in return for more pay.

When a new agreement is reached between RM and the CWU it is put to a ballot and sadly, many members only look at what %age pay increase and back pay is negotiated knowing it will be paid promptly, they only pay passing attention to what you've got to give back in return over a longer period and think that those times will never come, hoping the CWU will keep batting them away.

But the CWU have signed this agreement following a majority YES vote from its members, and RM have honoured their side by paying the wage increase, time for payback now people!

We also voted for a 35hr week but haven’t got that yet. Seem even when something have been voted in they can still pick and chose what they want to do

[2yearpostie]

Does any other unit choose thier own start finish times to suit traffic or just do what the official start/finish times are?

[clashcityrocker]

Does any other unit choose thier own start finish times to suit traffic or just do what the official start/finish times are?

You have to align your start/finish times with your mail arrivals.
There are no "official" start times because every office is different.

[Cedar_Room]

Anyone on here from one of the places trialling the scheme?

Be interesting to know how it’s going

[SpacePhoenix]

Does any other unit choose thier own start finish times to suit traffic or just do what the official start/finish times are?

You have to align your start/finish times with your mail arrivals.
There are no "official" start times because every office is different.

Wave 2 dispatches from the MCs will all leave the MC within about 5-10 mins of each other but their arrival time at the DO depends on how far away the DO is from the MC and road conditions/traffic. Don't know if every MC has got rid of wave 3

[2yearpostie]

Does any other unit choose thier own start finish times to suit traffic or just do what the official start/finish times are?

You have to align your start/finish times with your mail arrivals.
There are no "official" start times because every office is different.

Wave 2 dispatches from the MCs will all leave the MC within about 5-10 mins of each other but their arrival time at the DO depends on how far away the DO is from the MC and road conditions/traffic. Don't know if every MC has got rid of wave 3

We still have 3, but only 1 on a monday.

[Zicomurphy]

The accountants at the top know full well that delivery offices are haemorrhaging money because of piss poor management, this will highlight all the early finishing times, hours paid and not worked. Expect duties to be culled and the remaining to be massive.

Why would anybody be foolish enough to scan out before their actual finishing times?

Because there is no agreement on docking of pay or banking of hours when you finish early so no immediate adverse impact on the individual as things stand. They recently made a point of mentioning that seasonal hours is something they would like to look at and I’m sure long term they would like to get some sort of agreement that included an element of flexible or annualised hours linked to the scanning in and out data.

[broughts]

Like rabbits caught in the headlights your pda us your friend and so will clocking in and out can’t wait

[yubin282]

The accountants at the top know full well that delivery offices are haemorrhaging money because of piss poor management, this will highlight all the early finishing times, hours paid and not worked. Expect duties to be culled and the remaining to be massive.

Why would anybody be foolish enough to scan out before their actual finishing times?

I've never understood the people who finish early, then sign out of the PDA. Then sit and prep door2doors for an hour.

Sign out when you've done the door2doors.

[Woody Guthrie]

Sign out when you've done the door2doors.

It makes sod all difference when you sign out of your PDA.
The PDA actuals measure outdoor data and the system knows when you're back in the building.

By not signing out all you end up with is a big red dot on the screen showing where you are and that you're stationary. Some of our guys don't even bother logging out at all but the system kicks you out eventually anyway... most of the time. They can be a bit flaky.

[rambo1]

Sign out when you've done the door2doors.

It makes sod all difference when you sign out of your PDA.
The PDA actuals measure outdoor data and the system knows when you're back in the building.

By not signing out all you end up with is a big red dot on the screen showing where you are and that you're stationary. Some of our guys don't even bother logging out at all but the system kicks you out eventually anyway... most of the time. They can be a bit flaky.

The system I think, presumes you finish 10 mins after getting back to office. That's what we were told when trying to get back our overtime that had been docked anyway.