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Proposed management structure in Delivery.

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Re: Proposed management structure in Delivery.

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 18:13

Apparently there will be no overall DOM in an office, each COM will control between 30-32 duties controlling all of the activities in their sector from budget, overtime, lapsing, performance to sick absence and annual leave.
In a large unit there could be 4+ COMs. Which one of them does the weekly resourcing meeting?
Which one interfaces with the union rep?
Or will we have a rep per COM?
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Murdoch wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 14:40

Yeah, I get that. What will happen with smaller DOs with significantly less duties than that?

One COM responsible for duties across two or more locations?
It appears to be the plan with the collections managers as they won't have 30 bods under their control in one location.
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clashcityrocker wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 14:53
Woody Guthrie wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 18:13

Apparently there will be no overall DOM in an office, each COM will control between 30-32 duties controlling all of the activities in their sector from budget, overtime, lapsing, performance to sick absence and annual leave.
In a large unit there could be 4+ COMs. Which one of them does the weekly resourcing meeting?
Which one interfaces with the union rep?
Or will we have a rep per COM?
And welcome back.
I'm struggling to get my head around it to be honest, how many DOMs are going to be able to handle the ego check of moving from managing an entire office to potentially just a third of it or a quarter?

Is each section going to have its own seniority list?

Will there be competition between sections to be the most efficient.

Will there be a transfer window or will it be like football at school and you each get a pick until only the fat kid and weird frankie are left?

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And what about ip?

Will each section only sort its own stuff, will the mc need to know which walks are in one section?
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 16:19

Is each section going to have its own seniority list?
I'd presume so from the various announcements. Each section will be run as its own mini delivery office.
Will there be competition between sections to be the most efficient.
Not only within buildings containing multiple sections. It appears that if you're a manager doing average or better, you'll largely be left alone, but those whose sections are struggling will have the 'benefit' of increased 'focus' from whatever the next level up is called (I can't recall off-hand).
Will there be a transfer window or will it be like football at school and you each get a pick until only the fat kid and weird frankie are left?
This has a certain morbid appeal. It'd be a fascinating process, certainly.

Although I understand the overall thinking behind this latest wheeze of our glorious leader, I can't see it ending well. Or even beginning well, to be honest.
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 16:19

Will there be a transfer window or will it be like football at school and you each get a pick until only the fat kid and weird frankie are left?
I hope it will be like the American Football where the weakest franchise gets to pick the number one rookie and then nobody understands what goes on after that.
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Will there be a need for a DOM / COM Suport
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 16:19
I'm struggling to get my head around it to be honest, how many DOMs are going to be able to handle the ego check of moving from managing an entire office to potentially just a third of it or a quarter?
What I've gathered from those documents. All managers will have to state a preference of which role they want, first question being whether or not they want volantary redundancy. So that part is clear, they are expecting to significantly reduce the number of managers, many of them will lose their jobs.

They've also made it so that anybody in a current managerial position, can preference for a COM position, so a line manager, or a cover manager will be in direct competition with all the former DOMs. They've incentivised everybody to want a COM position (as opposed to COSM), by making that pay significantly more.

Then everybody will have to some Job application style activities to complete, to determine who gets which role. In essence, a reapply for your job moment.

It's actually pretty funny what they've done, they've just put all the frontline managers of the business in direct competition with each other. There's going to be so much arselicking / backstabbing going on. :chuckle
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The ones that lose their jobs might end up being forced to go back to being posties
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wallan wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 17:45
Will there be a need for a DOM / COM Suport
I cannot see that it would be efficient to use the hours needed for a dom support role in a small 35 man unit.
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 19:25
The ones that lose their jobs might end up being forced to go back to being posties
I've already seen LMs busted back down the delivery. It's like a living fable about the dangers of making a Faustian pact.
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clashcityrocker wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 14:53
Woody Guthrie wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 18:13

Apparently there will be no overall DOM in an office, each COM will control between 30-32 duties controlling all of the activities in their sector from budget, overtime, lapsing, performance to sick absence and annual leave.
In a large unit there could be 4+ COMs. Which one of them does the weekly resourcing meeting?
Which one interfaces with the union rep?
Or will we have a rep per COM?
And welcome back.

We have 4 regular line managers in our depot. Each Lino is responsible for a section of around 30 duties. You mean to tell me that they could now be on £40k+ for doing pretty much the same job as what they are doing now?
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postslippete wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 22:24
clashcityrocker wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 14:53
Woody Guthrie wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 18:13

Apparently there will be no overall DOM in an office, each COM will control between 30-32 duties controlling all of the activities in their sector from budget, overtime, lapsing, performance to sick absence and annual leave.
In a large unit there could be 4+ COMs. Which one of them does the weekly resourcing meeting?
Which one interfaces with the union rep?
Or will we have a rep per COM?
And welcome back.

We have 4 regular line managers in our depot. Each Lino is responsible for a section of around 30 duties. You mean to tell me that they could now be on £40k+ for doing pretty much the same job as what they are doing now?
It probably sounds quite sweet but I imagine everything will fall on them.Where it was shared around more before they would be responsible for everything, you look at the offices and what a mess they are hardly getting any support from above and going to get worse.**** that for take home of around £15/16 an hour!
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theotherone wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 22:31

It probably sounds quite sweet but I imagine everything will fall on them.Where it was shared around more before they would be responsible for everything, you look at the offices and what a mess they are hardly getting any support from above and going to get worse.**** that for take home of around £15/16 an hour!

The reason most Lino's either quit or went back to being posties is because they were messed about by senior managers. A few of the rookies were working all over the place and were being sh*t on for things beyond their control.

There will still be many things beyond their control but they will get more dosh for it.

If I'm truthful though, if there is someone on sick and there is a duty to cover then as a last resort they should go out and deliver it and not leave it until the next day. Its that that creates bad feeling and leads people to not feel valued by the company.


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