RMCtv : Why is our overtime rate lower than our hourly rate?

[POSTMAN]

Hermes jobs, for owner drivers anyway...
Paid per parcel – average £10-£15 per hour depending on your round, volumes and location (Individual rates

https://www.google.com/search?q=hermes+ ... e=tldetail

Yodel employed driver...

We are currently recruiting for a number of Delivery Drivers
£9.25Ph
Working 5 out of 7 Days per week
7am - 6pm

DPD...

Need tons of HGV peeps but can't find employed work only owner driver.
Earn as much as you want, the sky’s the limit (expected earnings of up to £40,000)

UPS employed drivers...

£12.46 per hour, rising to £15.33 : London £13.50 per hour, rising to £16.37
40 hours per week, plus overtime when required; with start times ranging from 7am to 8am

[POSTMAN]

UPS Looks a goer!

[blacov]

Royal Mail was indeed a very good employer some 15years ago. In comparison to competitors RM pay was much better. However when we look at their pay offer now including overtime. They're no longer seem to be that competitive. Especially now there are vacancies in numerous warehouses paying basic rates £11-12 with overtime paid at a higher rate.

RM big bosses focused so much on share prices and stock market they seem to be downplaying importance of well paid dedicated workforce. Especially those in operational roles.

If royal mail think people can be replaced and retained by offering part time contracts and current pay rates they might be in for a shocker. I know that most of our new starters either just dont care or hustle different jobs. Most of them will just bring stuff back and most likely leave at an earliest opportunity. If people stopped all overtime and good will. In my opinion deliveries across the country will get severely disrupted.

[Iva bigredbag]

Simon Thompson is worse than Rico Back. The man has zero clue about what a postman does and on top of that could not give a crap about our health as we can see with RM zero health and safety measures for covid in DO's. I would say he should be sacked but they would just roll out another psychopath that cares only about enriching himself and the major shareholders. The company is a joke TBH and I will not do overtime for them. Work you hours and then forget about them, better still find another job working for a company that actually values and cares about its employees.

[rambo1]

I don't get this, 'its all for the shareholders' rubbish. If he wants to look after the shareholders he'd better do a better job running the company.

[tabact]

If you really want to show just how unfair the overtime rate is for Posties speak to an Angard Agency Worker as once they go over a certain amount of hours their rate actually goes up which considering their actual rate if they have done the 6 month qualification period is £5 an hour higher than a Postmans rate. So you have a situation where if myself and an Angard Agency did a 48 hour week my pay before tax would work out at around £ 720 whereas the Agency worker would earn £ 820 before tax for the same hours but just remember casuals are cheaper than Posties

Angard's overtime rates drop to a lower rate the same as for RM staff. The biggest con is the Sunday rate where you might go one hour over 37 hours for the week but the whole shift is paid at the lower overtime rate. Apart from Christmas unlikely to get anywhere near overtime hours anyway.

[POSTMAN]

Gal's just been busted on Workplace for this, if you see it, funny as f**k.
Pointed to Simons blah on it after a query about the amounts, he says no, he just goes around the houses on it lol

[priority102]

So many Royal Mail employees are so afraid and hesitant to jump ship because of the pay/terms, fear of the unknown that they stick at it despite it getting them down/affecting their lives and health but take it from someone who was in that position and left after almost 25 years - there is another and better life out there!

RM is right in saying that it must compete with other couriers for parcels, but what Thompson & Co at the top refuse to take on board is that RM employees have to deliver letters and D2D's to EVERY house as well. This makes RM different from other couriers and puts them at a big disadvantage.

The very nature of the job means that no 2 days mail and parcels are the same so it is difficult for anyone to plan on a daily basis accurately. If RM were to scrap "working paid hours" which we all know just brings lack of motivation/incentive and slows the sensible ones down, and bring back job and finish it would (in my opinion), solve a lot of their staffing problems. Think about it....back in the day when it was job and finish the DOM would offer you part of a walk on o/t and everything offered was taken up as the incentive was there....get your walk done, get the o/t done...go home. I regularly see posties I know walking so slow it's amusing, but I know and get why they're doing it!

NEVER were there any walks undelivered, posties were happy as the incentive was there and management were happy as the job was done. They could then accurately report that offices were cleared.

Food for thought......

[Dexydog]

I've thought this for a while.
They're so obsessed with ensuring people work their hours (which in most jobs is absolutely fair enough), they overlook the fact that people work at different rates.
This can be down to numerous factors- age, ability, disability, attitude to job, things getting people down in their personal lives, motivation, sense of fairness that you know the bloke next you isn't pulling their weight/has a massively different workload.
The list goes on.
In my experience, some line managers are much better at understanding these issues than others, and will give a certain amount of leeway.
These are the managers, usually ex posties, who will allow job and finish if they know you're not taking the Mickey, and the job gets done, everyone is happy.
Others are the ones that were lazy postmen and always think you're taking the p##s-these are the ones who will end up with overtime to cover-so you figure out the best approach.
There's no easy answer as everyone is different for different reasons, but since job and finish went, along with the myriad of new tasks as part of the job, there is correspondingly less work being done.
If those at the top can't see that, well, there's no hope for anyone.

[Jack1960]

So many Royal Mail employees are so afraid and hesitant to jump ship because of the pay/terms, fear of the unknown that they stick at it despite it getting them down/affecting their lives and health but take it from someone who was in that position and left after almost 25 years - there is another and better life out there!

RM is right in saying that it must compete with other couriers for parcels, but what Thompson & Co at the top refuse to take on board is that RM employees have to deliver letters and D2D's to EVERY house as well. This makes RM different from other couriers and puts them at a big disadvantage.

The very nature of the job means that no 2 days mail and parcels are the same so it is difficult for anyone to plan on a daily basis accurately. If RM were to scrap "working paid hours" which we all know just brings lack of motivation/incentive and slows the sensible ones down, and bring back job and finish it would (in my opinion), solve a lot of their staffing problems. Think about it....back in the day when it was job and finish the DOM would offer you part of a walk on o/t and everything offered was taken up as the incentive was there....get your walk done, get the o/t done...go home. I regularly see posties I know walking so slow it's amusing, but I know and get why they're doing it!

NEVER were there any walks undelivered, posties were happy as the incentive was there and management were happy as the job was done. They could then accurately report that offices were cleared.

Food for thought......

[Mr Rush]

Thompson & Co at the top refuse to take on board is that RM employees have to deliver letters and D2D's to EVERY house as well.

Classic case of a company desperately trying to be other companies while ignoring their own mission statement. Shareholders want to be dazzled by talk of drone deliveries and (totally impractical) electric buggies. They are not jazzed by Royal Mail delivering the mail. RM wishes letters would decline to the apocalyptic levels they proclaim blight frames across the country so they can talk Ofcom into finally availing them of the terrible burden of having to provide a proper service. Then, as if liberated by Gordon Gekko himself, the company can ascend into the sunny skies of endless profits and craptastic working conditions.

[theotherone]

So when (and if) you are paid Average pay on holiday, I'm getting it at alot shi*ter rate then 99% of other companies because our O/T rate is so poor. Another con.

[Tman]

If the O/T rate is poor then blame those who voted for the pay deal maybe 15-20 years ago, when the basic was increased a lot and the O/T rates reduced.
The CWU (quite rightly) went along with the scheme as everyone's basic was increased, supposedly reducing the need for some to do O/T to make up their take-home pay.
Fast forward to the present and everyone's forgotten about the increase in basic pay, but the poor O/T rates remain.

[crimson king]

If the O/T rate is poor then blame those who voted for the pay deal maybe 15-20 years ago, when the basic was increased a lot and the O/T rates reduced.
The CWU (quite rightly) went along with the scheme as everyone's basic was increased, supposedly reducing the need for some to do O/T to make up their take-home pay.
Fast forward to the present and everyone's forgotten about the increase in basic pay, but the poor O/T rates remain.

Whilst that's a very good point, the CWU need to be addressing modern gripes and discontent concerning pay.

No doubt, 15-20 years ago, this was yet another hyped and lauded 'deal of the century' but the Union Boys at the top, perhaps more now than ever, need to be seen coming out of their bunkers and sorting modern issues.

It's a frustrating time to be a local rep at the moment.

[twoloops]

Most in our office are now doing deals to work their day off, the going rate is 10 to 12 hours pay & rising depending on which day you work, extra loops are coming in @ 1.5 to 2 hours for a 35/40 minute loop, they a desperate, fill your boots if you want it