Uso agreement

[ted_e_bear]

They would rather we started later in the day I'm sure and have a hybrid sort of duties which could incorporate delivery, collections and LATS.

I've mentioned previously that idea would work for people who are struggling with a full duty, start later, shorter delivery then take care of the lat's thus alleviating any overtime for them, I'd certainly go for it, there'd obviously be a bit of flexibility involved as the lat's can vary quite a lot day to day but I think that would be a good starting point for alternative duty structures.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

They would rather we started later in the day I'm sure and have a hybrid sort of duties which could incorporate delivery, collections and LATS.

I've mentioned previously that idea would work for people who are struggling with a full duty, start later, shorter delivery then take care of the lat's thus alleviating any overtime for them, I'd certainly go for it, there'd obviously be a bit of flexibility involved as the lat's can vary quite a lot day to day but I think that would be a good starting point for alternative duty structures.

Yeah, all these extra products allow reps to be more creative with duty structures and offer up more work life balance for members while keeping offices productive and efficient.
Not for everyone though working into the evening.
I'd like a three day week personally, 12 hour 15 days.
Four days off a week.
Lovely.

[Smoothbackground]

Yeah, all these extra products allow reps to be more creative with duty structures and offer up more work life balance for members while keeping offices productive and efficient.
Not for everyone though working into the evening.
I'd like a three day week personally, 12 hour 15 days.
Four days off a week.
Lovely.

The reps don’t run the business, thankfully, and so it isn’t within their purview to offer up more work/life balance for members. That said, I hope the business will offer up more work/life balance for employees who want a less traditional work schedule.

[Acca Dacca]

Yeah, all these extra products allow reps to be more creative with duty structures and offer up more work life balance for members while keeping offices productive and efficient.
Not for everyone though working into the evening.
I'd like a three day week personally, 12 hour 15 days.
Four days off a week.
Lovely.

The reps don’t run the business, thankfully, and so it isn’t within their purview to offer up more work/life balance for members. That said, I hope the business will offer up more work/life balance for employees who want a less traditional work schedule.

I dont think you quite understand the extent of Royal Mail and CWU's working relationship

For the moment at least, Royal Mail pay CWU reps and officials through full time release to do CWU work - duty patterns etc falls under that scope

[Smoothbackground]

Yeah, all these extra products allow reps to be more creative with duty structures and offer up more work life balance for members while keeping offices productive and efficient.
Not for everyone though working into the evening.
I'd like a three day week personally, 12 hour 15 days.
Four days off a week.
Lovely.

The reps don’t run the business, thankfully, and so it isn’t within their purview to offer up more work/life balance for members. That said, I hope the business will offer up more work/life balance for employees who want a less traditional work schedule.

I dont think you quite understand the extent of Royal Mail and CWU's working relationship

For the moment at least, Royal Mail pay CWU reps and officials through full time release to do CWU work - duty patterns etc falls under that scope

I understand very well how it works, thanks.

Yes, said reps undoubtedly attempt to meddle so as to justify their very existence, but thankfully, as I have said, they don’t run the business. They have zilch input into such things. And as you yourself seem to accept by dint of your choice of words, it would be inappropriate and a conflict of interest for them to have a hand in duty planning and patterns — they would just look after their “mates” (members) and screw over employees (non-members specifically).

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Every office will get a vote on the duty patterns they want and the business may entertain more tweaks and adjustments from the reps if it's proves productive and efficient.
Better work life balance opportunities is one positive USO reform can bring.

[Acca Dacca]

Yeah, all these extra products allow reps to be more creative with duty structures and offer up more work life balance for members while keeping offices productive and efficient.
Not for everyone though working into the evening.
I'd like a three day week personally, 12 hour 15 days.
Four days off a week.
Lovely.

The reps don’t run the business, thankfully, and so it isn’t within their purview to offer up more work/life balance for members. That said, I hope the business will offer up more work/life balance for employees who want a less traditional work schedule.

I dont think you quite understand the extent of Royal Mail and CWU's working relationship

For the moment at least, Royal Mail pay CWU reps and officials through full time release to do CWU work - duty patterns etc falls under that scope

I understand very well how it works, thanks.

Yes, said reps undoubtedly attempt to meddle so as to justify their very existence, but thankfully, as I have said, they don’t run the business. They have zilch input into such things. And as you yourself seem to accept by dint of your choice of words, it would be inappropriate and a conflict of interest for them to have a hand in duty planning and patterns — they would just look after their “mates” (members) and screw over employees (non-members specifically).

I dont think you do.

They HAVE input in such things because Royal Mail allows them input due to past agreements

But you go ahead as a self proclaimed non CWU member and relative newcomer to Royal Mail to tell us all how things work

[Smoothbackground]

I dont think you do.

They HAVE input in such things because Royal Mail allows them input due to past agreements

They have air space in pointless “resourcing meetings”, yeah, assuming local managers can be bothered to convene same, but that in no way equates to input, let alone influence.

[Mr Rush]

so the more they chase volumes without fixing the delivery model, the more risk they are taking on.

Packet volumes make me think of a blocked toilet - rather than fix the problem they just keep flushing and flushing. Maybe the weight of the water will unblock it, but if misjudged it will overflow and make a horrendous mess. I am not being paid enough to clean it up.

[SpacePhoenix]

so the more they chase volumes without fixing the delivery model, the more risk they are taking on.

Packet volumes make me think of a blocked toilet - rather than fix the problem they just keep flushing and flushing. Maybe the weight of the water will unblock it, but if misjudged it will overflow and make a horrendous mess. I am not being paid enough to clean it up.

Overall are they going by what enters DOs or what is sorted by MCs? If it's the latter, then they'll be getting false numbers due to the number of direct yorks which won't be touched in processing. The direct yorks get wheeled off the artic and straight over to the relevant loading bay.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I dont think you do.

They HAVE input in such things because Royal Mail allows them input due to past agreements

They have air space in pointless “resourcing meetings”, yeah, assuming local managers can be bothered to convene same, but that in no way equates to input, let alone influence.

Unit reps get withdrawn before revisions on some days to work and negotiate duty content and office structure with management and planners.
Area reps help the process or undertake it if their isn't a local rep.
They can have huge influence and input, so your a bit off the mark there.

[postslippete]

Not really a completely different topic, I can't answer whether their is cooking of the books because I don't know.
We were talking about why the company may be struggling to turn over a profit and trying to compete with other firms on an uneven playing field is one of the main reasons.
They have to offer that out of hours service otherwise they will lose the contracts completely, and it is where the growth is.
Comparing figures like you have and equipment between royal mail and Amazon indicates where the firms are financially.
They would rather we started later in the day I'm sure and have a hybrid sort of duties which could incorporate delivery, collections and LATS.
Obviously not a popular one across the membership, unless you had maybe a four day week or even a three day week on longer days maybe.
EP group and union have talked about working with with the government in some way to hopefully create a more equal playing field across the delivery industry.
With some set of regulations.
I don't know if that will happen but it has been mentioned.

Come on, you can't just sidestep the original creative accounting discussion by saying "I don't know" when the evidence is right in front of you! It has been proven and even accepted by analysts and the financial media that the company has used legal but misleading accounting tactics to preset a more dramatic picture than the reality. The biggest example is that they have previously claimed over a £1 billion in reported losses but it is in fact only an adjusted loss of £71 million because they used impairment charges that were not related to the day-to-day operations to inflate those losses.


https://www.ajbell.co.uk/articles/lates ... s-narrows

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/roy ... 81951.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britai ... 23-05-18/


This is not about conspiracy theories but understanding how corporate finance is used to shape perception and deflect accountability. Before we enter into anymore speculation as to why the company might be struggling to turn over a profit, this stuff has to be readily acknowledged otherwise we are just taking RM's version of reality at face value, and we have seen where that has got us before.

[Smoothbackground]

I dont think you do.

They HAVE input in such things because Royal Mail allows them input due to past agreements

They have air space in pointless “resourcing meetings”, yeah, assuming local managers can be bothered to convene same, but that in no way equates to input, let alone influence.

Unit reps get withdrawn before revisions on some days to work and negotiate duty content and office structure with management and planners.
Area reps help the process or undertake it if their isn't a local rep.
They can have huge influence and input, so your a bit off the mark there.

They undoubtedly enjoy FT release for revision processes but only because it has long been the status quo that they do. Air space and lip service is all that is provided. The days of the CWU and its reps having huge influence and input are, thankfully for us new starters at least, in the long-distant past.

[Acca Dacca]

I dont think you do.

They HAVE input in such things because Royal Mail allows them input due to past agreements

They have air space in pointless “resourcing meetings”, yeah, assuming local managers can be bothered to convene same, but that in no way equates to input, let alone influence.

Unit reps get withdrawn before revisions on some days to work and negotiate duty content and office structure with management and planners.
Area reps help the process or undertake it if their isn't a local rep.
They can have huge influence and input, so your a bit off the mark there.

They undoubtedly enjoy FT release for revision processes but only because it has long been the status quo that they do. Air space and lip service is all that is provided. The days of the CWU and its reps having huge influence and input are, thankfully for us new starters at least, in the long-distant past.

You keep telling yourself that

Note how youve now changed it to they dont have HUGE influence having been told how they have influence

Maybe just accept you dont know everything

[Smoothbackground]

Note how youve now changed it to they dont have HUGE influence having been told how they have influence

Maybe just accept you dont know everything

“Huge influence” was Mickey’s phrase which I was merely regurgitating. I will therefore rephrase it so that it is totally unambiguous.

They undoubtedly enjoy FT release for revision processes but only because it has long been the status quo that they do. Air space and lip service is all that is provided. The days of the CWU and its reps having any influence and input are, thankfully for us new starters at least, in the long-distant past.