Pda actuals

[citypostie]

There's some real nonsense on this thread.

Bob does 10 hours work in 8 hrs so Royal Mail are only going to pay him 8 hrs?
The important thing is that Bob does 10 hrs worth of work and is paid 10 hrs.
The question is as always in this business how do you measure 10 hrs work?
That's a manager's job.
Bob has the right to refuse the overtime if he doesn't like the deal.


More importantly what do you think they should do with someone who does 8 hrs work in 10 hours?
Who is the biggest threat to the business?
Who would you target if you were a manager?

And that last bit is the one all the people rejoicing about PDA actuals stopping ghosting and runners don't ever have an answer to except to say everyone works at different speeds so they can't have a minimum speed for outdoor work and if you do the job properly they can't do a thing. Dream on, the runners might get hassle from PDA actuals but the people who love to work smart as it's been put on here will end up getting non stop questions as soon as the outdoor standards come in which they will

[Gasman11]

There's some real nonsense on this thread.

Bob does 10 hours work in 8 hrs so Royal Mail are only going to pay him 8 hrs?
The important thing is that Bob does 10 hrs worth of work and is paid 10 hrs.
The question is as always in this business how do you measure 10 hrs work?
That's a manager's job.
Bob has the right to refuse the overtime if he doesn't like the deal.


More importantly what do you think they should do with someone who does 8 hrs work in 10 hours?
Who is the biggest threat to the business?
Who would you target if you were a manager?

The PDA actuals will back up the other person though and prove that it was a particularly busy day and resulted in them working past their normal finishing time. If Bob can do 10 loops in the same time its takes the OP to do one walk then id be thinking his walk has the capacity to be increased significantly and it'd be saving RM a fair bit in the process.

[Woody Guthrie]

The PDA actuals will back up the other person though and prove that it was a particularly busy day

What if it isn't a particularly busy day?
What if you're just 55 with a bad knee?
Will the PDA actuals back you up then?
I asked the question what should the business do if someone takes 10 hrs to do 8 hrs work since so many want runners to be paid 8 hrs for 10 hrs work?
Using the PDA data should they pay them 8 hrs or 10 hrs?

I ask this question because this is where the business really wants to go with PDA data, into the world of performance standards. It's the only logical place to go because lumping extra work on people without performance standards will just slow everybody down, reduce efficiency and cost the business a lot of money.

[Woody Guthrie]

If Bob can do 10 loops in the same time its takes the OP to do one walk then id be thinking his walk has the capacity to be increased significantly and it'd be saving RM a fair bit in the process.

So you've increased Bob's duty significantly but it's Bob that had the capacity ( he's the flyers ) not the duty and certainly not the day off cover who does the job properly so Bob's off to another duty and rather than save RM anything you've just created a monster duty that some poor part-timer is getting dumped on.

[Gasman11]

The PDA actuals will back up the other person though and prove that it was a particularly busy day

What if it isn't a particularly busy day?
What if you're just 55 with a bad knee?
Will the PDA actuals back you up then?
I asked the question what should the business do if someone takes 10 hrs to do 8 hrs work since so many want runners to be paid 8 hrs for 10 hrs work?
Using the PDA data should they pay them 8 hrs or 10 hrs?

I ask this question because this is where the business really wants to go with PDA data, into the world of performance standards. It's the only logical place to go because lumping extra work on people without performance standards will just slow everybody down, reduce efficiency and cost the business a lot of money.

Quiet day, OP does normal duty + lapse
Normal day, normal duty
Busy day, duty × extended

55, bad knee - is the bad knee a recent injury and the duty holder normally performs at an acceptable level etc.

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

[number one]

The PDA actuals will back up the other person though and prove that it was a particularly busy day

What if it isn't a particularly busy day?
What if you're just 55 with a bad knee?
Will the PDA actuals back you up then?
I asked the question what should the business do if someone takes 10 hrs to do 8 hrs work since so many want runners to be paid 8 hrs for 10 hrs work?
Using the PDA data should they pay them 8 hrs or 10 hrs?

I ask this question because this is where the business really wants to go with PDA data, into the world of performance standards. It's the only logical place to go because lumping extra work on people without performance standards will just slow everybody down, reduce efficiency and cost the business a lot of money.

Quiet day, OP does normal duty + lapse
Normal day, normal duty
Busy day, duty × extended

55, bad knee - is the bad knee a recent injury and the duty holder normally performs at an acceptable level etc.

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No way is the difference between a busy day and light day 2 hours! That on a pairing is 4 hours!

[Gasman11]

If Bob can do 10 loops in the same time its takes the OP to do one walk then id be thinking his walk has the capacity to be increased significantly and it'd be saving RM a fair bit in the process.

So you've increased Bob's duty significantly but it's Bob that had the capacity ( he's the flyers ) not the duty and certainly not the day off cover who does the job properly so Bob's off to another duty and rather than save RM anything you've just created a monster duty that some poor part-timer is getting dumped on.

I fear for Bob as he's in for a rude awakening although it might also do him the world of good from a health point of view in the long term if it gets him to reign in his manic approach to work.

[Gasman11]

The PDA actuals will back up the other person though and prove that it was a particularly busy day

What if it isn't a particularly busy day?
What if you're just 55 with a bad knee?
Will the PDA actuals back you up then?
I asked the question what should the business do if someone takes 10 hrs to do 8 hrs work since so many want runners to be paid 8 hrs for 10 hrs work?
Using the PDA data should they pay them 8 hrs or 10 hrs?

I ask this question because this is where the business really wants to go with PDA data, into the world of performance standards. It's the only logical place to go because lumping extra work on people without performance standards will just slow everybody down, reduce efficiency and cost the business a lot of money.

Quiet day, OP does normal duty + lapse
Normal day, normal duty
Busy day, duty × extended

55, bad knee - is the bad knee a recent injury and the duty holder normally performs at an acceptable level etc.

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No way is the difference between a busy day and light day 2 hours! That on a pairing is 4 hours!

Bob must put his Nike Air Max on then on a Wednesday and Thursday if there's no discernible difference for him.

[Marshamp11]

The PDA actuals will back up the other person though and prove that it was a particularly busy day

What if it isn't a particularly busy day?
What if you're just 55 with a bad knee?
Will the PDA actuals back you up then?
I asked the question what should the business do if someone takes 10 hrs to do 8 hrs work since so many want runners to be paid 8 hrs for 10 hrs work?
Using the PDA data should they pay them 8 hrs or 10 hrs?

I ask this question because this is where the business really wants to go with PDA data, into the world of performance standards. It's the only logical place to go because lumping extra work on people without performance standards will just slow everybody down, reduce efficiency and cost the business a lot of money.

Quiet day, OP does normal duty + lapse
Normal day, normal duty
Busy day, duty × extended

55, bad knee - is the bad knee a recent injury and the duty holder normally performs at an acceptable level etc.

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

The bad knee scenario should be approached with is it an industrial injury or not given the amount of posties who suffer with it, therefore should be compensatory and not fobbed off as "part of the job". It shouldn't therefore be used as excuse to punish a slower beaten into the ground postie.

[Woody Guthrie]

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No you haven't.
That's 10 hrs work in 10 hrs.
You're making up fictitious exceptionally busy days to justify paying 10 hrs but what I'm talking about is doing 8 hrs work in 10 hrs.

I'll make it simpler for you.

Three identical duties with identical mail.

Postie A completes it in 7 hrs.
Postie B completes it in 8 hrs.
Postie C completes it in 9 hrs.

Bearing in mind they've all done the same amount of workload who should be paid what.
Don't make any assumptions about any of them, they're all "doing the job properly".

[SpacePhoenix]

There's some real nonsense on this thread.

Bob does 10 hours work in 8 hrs so Royal Mail are only going to pay him 8 hrs?
The important thing is that Bob does 10 hrs worth of work and is paid 10 hrs.
The question is as always in this business how do you measure 10 hrs work?
That's a manager's job.
Bob has the right to refuse the overtime if he doesn't like the deal.


More importantly what do you think they should do with someone who does 8 hrs work in 10 hours?
Who is the biggest threat to the business?
Who would you target if you were a manager?

In that situation the manager should send Bob back out with 2 hours worth of work

[Gasman11]

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No you haven't.
That's 10 hrs work in 10 hrs.
You're making up fictitious exceptionally busy days to justify paying 10 hrs but what I'm talking about is doing 8 hrs work in 10 hrs.

I'll make it simpler for you.

Three identical duties with identical mail.

Postie A completes it in 7 hrs.
Postie B completes it in 8 hrs.
Postie C completes it in 9 hrs.

Bearing in mind they've all done the same amount of workload who should be paid what.
Don't make any assumptions about any of them, they're all "doing the job properly".

Asuming Postie A hasnt quite worked his full day id be giving him a bit more to do on his return and paying extended duty time to the otjer two.

[number one]

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No you haven't.
That's 10 hrs work in 10 hrs.
You're making up fictitious exceptionally busy days to justify paying 10 hrs but what I'm talking about is doing 8 hrs work in 10 hrs.

I'll make it simpler for you.

Three identical duties with identical mail.

Postie A completes it in 7 hrs.
Postie B completes it in 8 hrs.
Postie C completes it in 9 hrs.

Bearing in mind they've all done the same amount of workload who should be paid what.
Don't make any assumptions about any of them, they're all "doing the job properly".

Asuming Postie A hasnt quite worked his full day id be giving him a bit more to do on his return and paying extended duty time to the otjer two.

Where do you magic the extra work from?

[Gasman11]

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No you haven't.
That's 10 hrs work in 10 hrs.
You're making up fictitious exceptionally busy days to justify paying 10 hrs but what I'm talking about is doing 8 hrs work in 10 hrs.

I'll make it simpler for you.

Three identical duties with identical mail.

Postie A completes it in 7 hrs.
Postie B completes it in 8 hrs.
Postie C completes it in 9 hrs.

Bearing in mind they've all done the same amount of workload who should be paid what.
Don't make any assumptions about any of them, they're all "doing the job properly".

Asuming Postie A hasnt quite worked his full day id be giving him a bit more to do on his return and paying extended duty time to the otjer two.

Where do you magic the extra work from?

One of the posties wasnt sure whether he'd be able to complete his own duty and have enough time left for lapsing so has left it behind in the office to collect it later on. He rang me at 1pm and said he wouldnt have time to lapse and lo and behold Postie A has just walked in so i dont have to do it now. Magic.

[number one]

8 hours in 10 hours ive already answered, it was an exceptionally busy day for the OP and his normal duty took him 2 hours longer than usual.

No you haven't.
That's 10 hrs work in 10 hrs.
You're making up fictitious exceptionally busy days to justify paying 10 hrs but what I'm talking about is doing 8 hrs work in 10 hrs.

I'll make it simpler for you.

Three identical duties with identical mail.

Postie A completes it in 7 hrs.
Postie B completes it in 8 hrs.
Postie C completes it in 9 hrs.

Bearing in mind they've all done the same amount of workload who should be paid what.
Don't make any assumptions about any of them, they're all "doing the job properly".

Asuming Postie A hasnt quite worked his full day id be giving him a bit more to do on his return and paying extended duty time to the otjer two.

Where do you magic the extra work from?

One of the posties wasnt sure whether he'd be able to complete his own duty and have enough time left for lapsing so has left it behind in the office to collect it later on. He rang me at 1pm and said he wouldnt have time to lapse and lo and behold Postie A has just walked in so i dont have to do it now. Miracle.

Next day Postie A realises if he gets back early he has to do other people’s work so he goes slow. Then what?