dvbuk55 wrote:
Now you're talking - more to the point exactly whose future does it protect, yours, mine or those who don't actually work for RM at all but are employed by us!
Indeed, I think the answer is becoming all too apparent with each passing day, and each desperate statement made by certain union officials on here.
It stinks of corruption, and is something that I, in all conscience, cannot be part of for very much longer.
thegreatesttommy wrote:
anyway i thought all along this dispiute was never about pay but how to protect jobs.... which imo this agreement does exactly that.
Oh, come on, don't leave us all hanging in mid-air in suspense, how exactly does this agreement protect jobs?
More to the point, exactly whose jobs does it protect?
Now you're talking - more to the point exactly whose future does it protect, yours, mine or those who don't actually work for RM at all but are employed by us!
We all know the answer to that....but, one ( rhetorical ) question I'd love to be answered is just how secure are their jobs since this agreement was published?
I don't suppose your mouth bleeds every 28 days, does it?
Mail delivery; those that can, do, those that can't, MANAGE!
Makes a nonsense out of the 'we don't care about pay 'brigade ,don't it. Rm would cheerfully guarantee 100% FT employment if you all agreed to work for f**k all
thegreatesttommy wrote:
anyway i thought all along this dispiute was never about pay but how to protect jobs.... which imo this agreement does exactly that.
Oh, come on, don't leave us all hanging in mid-air in suspense, how exactly does this agreement protect jobs?
More to the point, exactly whose jobs does it protect?
Now you're talking - more to the point exactly whose future does it protect, yours, mine or those who don't actually work for RM at all but are employed by us!
We all know the answer to that....but, one ( rhetorical ) question I'd love to be answered is just how secure are their jobs since this agreement was published?
You already know the answer to that Peruse the agreement one more time and try to find a commitment on staffing levels.
im going tomorrow at 6.40.I am not supposed to start till 8.15 but have 3 lots of door to doors to prep then my delivery.Im an AG but dont have the time to prep in the given time.i got £40 last week in door to doors so i dont mind to much getting in early but if im only going to get £10 for my door to doors then i aint gonna get in early anymore.
If Royal can manage to earn an average of £30 per person on door to door then £30-£12.40(what we get paid) = £17.60 in rm pocket * 87800 full time = £1,545,280 per week * 52 weeks = £80,354,560 profit on our backs
[quote="tpost"]Average D2D payments £12.39, call rates 85% you know what they say "there are lies, damned lies and statistics" I am losing money plain and simple[/quote
a postie in our office worked his average of d2d to be £14 a week last year and with the loss of early pay a total of £26.
with the £20.60 suplement and the first two wage increases stands to gain £6 a week.
not saying yes or no but just letting you know we were young with figures.obviously alot more to think about
"To coincide with the introduction of the national agreement unit payments will cease and the 3 items per week cap will be removed. D2D Monies will be turned into a delivery supplement paid 52 weeks a year for all delivery employees (OPG and ORR) pro rata for part time employees."
Well i would imagine that "coincide with the introduction of the national agreement" means immediately.
floydy wrote:I cannot find in the agreement a timescale for switching to the £20.60 supplement....
Is it?
April in line with the pay deal (when removal of cap would make them impossible to complete)
or
when we switch to automation when we possibly have more time to do the d2d's in?
Page 21 says
To coincide with the introduction of the national agreement unit payments will cease and the 3 items per week cap will be removed. D2D Monies will be turned into a delivery supplement paid 52 weeks a year for all delivery employees (OPG and ORR) pro rata for part time employees.
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so as soon as its ratified or April 2010 whichever is the latest I hope otherwise we will all be paying back ESA and D2D payments for a while.
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floydy wrote:I cannot find in the agreement a timescale for switching to the £20.60 supplement....
Is it?
April in line with the pay deal (when removal of cap would make them impossible to complete)
or
when we switch to automation when we possibly have more time to do the d2d's in?
Page 21 says
To coincide with the introduction of the national agreement unit payments will cease and the 3 items per week cap will be removed. D2D Monies will be turned into a delivery supplement paid 52 weeks a year for all delivery employees (OPG and ORR) pro rata for part time employees.
1200
so as soon as its ratified or April 2010 whichever is the latest I hope otherwise we will all be paying back ESA and D2D payments for a while.
Hmmmm so the d2d cap removal is meant to fill the extra time brought about by introduction of automation!!!!!!!!
yet no sign of automation!!!!
I struggle to get my duty done now so i see many cuttoffs ahead
tpost wrote:Average D2D payments £12.39, call rates 85% you know what they say "there are lies, damned lies and statistics" I am losing money plain and simple[/quote
a postie in our office worked his average of d2d to be £14 a week last year and with the loss of early pay a total of £26.
with the £20.60 suplement and the first two wage increases stands to gain £6 a week.
not saying yes or no but just letting you know we were young with figures.obviously alot more to think about
A whole 6 pounds a week for tramping the streets for 5 hours with 5 lots of D2D for two years - wow sign me up - I presume he works in a village
tpost wrote:Average D2D payments £12.39, call rates 85% you know what they say "there are lies, damned lies and statistics" I am losing money plain and simple[/quote
a postie in our office worked his average of d2d to be £14 a week last year and with the loss of early pay a total of £26.
with the £20.60 suplement and the first two wage increases stands to gain £6 a week.
not saying yes or no but just letting you know we were young with figures.obviously alot more to think about
so he could be doing another 3,4,or 5 d2d for £6 aweek ?
Peruse the agreement one more time and try to find a commitment on staffing levels. 
