Full Timers Let Go AT My Office

[POSTMAN]

Has there been any comms from the union?

[goldy]

Has there been any comms from the union?

im glad you get back so soon ,they(union) seem to think at area level there is nothing they can do for any one whos been there less than a year but i dont think they have actually realised the true state of the law you can only justify sacking someone for gross miss conduct after one year not because there contract ends you are basically the same as permanent employee it is the spirit of the law that is being broken and you can definitly not get rid of people in order to not handing them a perm contract after 4 years this is so grossly in fair
if you have been working with people doing the same job iam not a lawyer and all my poinions are researched but reasonably confident

[goldy]

Temporary contracts – Be aware!

If you or colleagues you work with are on temporary contracts you need to know about this.

Royal Mail is trying to hoodwink those of us who are on temporary contracts into signing away our rights.

I was employed on a 3 month contract in 2007 which has never been re-negotiated.

I spoke with a solicitor who told me that the law was very clear on this matter. If your contract has expired and you have not been issued with a new contract you are by default (in the eyes of the law) entitled to the same rights as full time permanent employees e.g. redundancy payments.

Royal mail could have kept me on a temporary contract basis for up to 4 years providing they issued a new contract at the end of each successive three month period.

The same applies to all temporary contracts. A colleague of mine was employed on a 3 month rolling contract for two years. Royal Mail did not cancel or renew his contract at the end of the 2 year period so in the eyes of the law he is entitled to the same rights as full time permanent staff.

If Royal Mail wants to do away with our services now they will have to pay us redundancy or face an industrial tribunal.

If you are on a temporary contract and have received a letter from Royal Mail recently DO NOT sign and return it.
you bang on hear mate i cant believe people have actually gone please get this spread to union as quickly as possible

If you or a colleague are on temporary contracts speak to your branch CWU rep before signing anything. If you are not a member of the CWU you should be, through the CWU you have access to professional legal advisers.

PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD TO ANY COLLEAGUES WHO JOINED ROYAL MAIL IN THE LAST 3 YEARS AND TO ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO IS EMPLOYED ON A TEMPORARY CONTRACT.

You

[goldy]

Today 7 or 8 full timers were told they will be let go in 2 weeks time, the reason was because when they joined they were given 3 yr trial periods and because they haven't completed 4 years royal mail doesn't have to recognize them as permanent. They are victims of a loophole, now this wasn't the doms doing it was HR who have been going through contracts to see who they can get rid off. This isn't hear say this actually happend at my office and our DOM said HR will be looking at doing this to all offices, they wasn't even going to get told till they got a letter tomorrow but the DOM felt it was only right to tell them face to face.

So be warned if you are a full timer with less than 4 years service they are gunning for you.

I have a question for the union reps who were on here defending the agreement, i heared a few of you say removing the door to door payments will protect jobs, well its been a couple of months and now this. Where are you now, please reply as now we all know that jobs are never protected and no agreement will ever do that because royal mail do what they like. If none of you who defended it respond to my question about jobs protection I will dig through old posts and start quoting you.

Coxie have these full timers gone as ?

[charlie1]

Charlie1 wrote;
The problem for Royal Mail is any persons job made compulsory redundant cannot be advertised or given to another individual, for what i believe to be a period of six months.

It wouldn't be the same job though. They would alter the hours/ips/delivery work etc. Basically anything, so that they could then claim that they were offering a new job and not replacing the person that they had made redundant.

I fully understand the point you are making and yes that is one way for the company to get around the redundancy legislation. However it could still prove to be a logistical nightmare for Royal Mail as the work still has to be done daily.The timing of any compulsory redundancies would need to be carefully planned and that we all know is not one of Royal Mails strong points!

Also in the eyes of the law some of these fixed term/temporary contracts that have lapsed or exceeded a certain time period, might offer some limited protection against redundancy or may well attract a redundancy pay off. If certain offices are known to be making redundancies and then at the same time or shortly after begin recruiting either internally or externally, its not going to look very good for the company at an Industrial tribunal. Most places I have worked before would look to offer a person another different job within the company and be seen to be doing so, before offering compulsory redundancies.

Royal Mail has mainly gone down the voluntary redundancy route in the past. This might have involved higher payouts but it means no claims against it later, plus it can reposition staff pretty much whenever it chooses. However the fact it has mainly offered VR to the longest servers may well have set a precident and is something else the union solicitors might want to look into.

[goldy]

we've got guys at my place who have been here less than 4 years,

I will also let my rep know asap in the morning about this, its bloody terrible

im glad theres alot of people who can see how unjust this letter is and obviosly expressing there disgust but this ultimatly is about taking the mickey out of all of us this needs to go tothe highest level it may not be happening to you but its probably you next if they pull it off its a masterpiece dont let it happen..

[sabaithaime]

Constructive dismissal!

Constructive dismissal is when an employee is forced to quit their job against their will because of their employer's conduct. Find out what you can do if you feel that you have to leave your job.

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If an employer and an employee need external help to resolve a problem, Acas can often assist them to find a solution that is acceptable to both.

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Remember also Royal Mails confidential helpline phone number: 0800 60888 777

[Stormproof]

At my office 3 part timers (30+ hrs) were told today that their contracts are to be terminated.

[goldy]

At my office 3 part timers (30+ hrs) were told today that their contracts are to be terminated.

these people if over they have been there over a year must start grivence process

[goldy]

At my office 3 part timers (30+ hrs) were told today that their contracts are to be terminated.

these people if over they have been there over a year must start grivence process

Sorry about the grammer ,i think these people should start grevience process if they have been there a year.,

[smelly_cat_lady]

This matter has now been 'bumped up' to regional area and we are in dispute with RM over it. Watch this space people

[TrueBlueTerrier]

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 15&t=29002" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ----- LTB on Temp Contracts

[coxie]

Today 7 or 8 full timers were told they will be let go in 2 weeks time, the reason was because when they joined they were given 3 yr trial periods and because they haven't completed 4 years royal mail doesn't have to recognize them as permanent. They are victims of a loophole, now this wasn't the doms doing it was HR who have been going through contracts to see who they can get rid off. This isn't hear say this actually happend at my office and our DOM said HR will be looking at doing this to all offices, they wasn't even going to get told till they got a letter tomorrow but the DOM felt it was only right to tell them face to face.

So be warned if you are a full timer with less than 4 years service they are gunning for you.

I have a question for the union reps who were on here defending the agreement, i heared a few of you say removing the door to door payments will protect jobs, well its been a couple of months and now this. Where are you now, please reply as now we all know that jobs are never protected and no agreement will ever do that because royal mail do what they like. If none of you who defended it respond to my question about jobs protection I will dig through old posts and start quoting you.

Coxie have these full timers gone as ?

No mate, he said 2 weeks is what HR wanted but then said he will give them till October, but then he said it might been sooner, so as of yet they still don't know when is their last day, its a disgrace. I can't believe the union didn't pull us all out on strike over this. The agreement was supposed to protect jobs and whether RM are breaking the law or not, it's just not right what they are doing.

[coxie]

I am no problem with royal mail rolling fixed term contracts over, but they should at least inform the employee each time they do this, apparently they have been doing that to these full timers at my office for the past 3 years and letting them all believe they were permanent and out of the blue tell them they are not and they are being dismissed in 2 weeks. What a joke.

[Stormproof]

I heard today that they've told the 3 who's contracts they are terminating that its 'EVR' and they will receive a weeks pay for each year they've been with RM.........so 2 weeks pay, pro rata of course