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Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

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2chorizon
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Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

Post by 2chorizon »

Well……..

This theory seems to be gaining traction.

Have we been played (radio silence)

& are we playing into their hands by all rushing for ALU?

Hmmmm….
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Re: Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

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No. Pension work around has been there for years.
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Post by tramssirhc »

2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 10:32
Well……..

This theory seems to be gaining traction.

Have we been played (radio silence)

& are we playing into their hands by all rushing for ALU?

Hmmmm….
Where's the figure come from?
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2chorizon
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Re: Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

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tramssirhc wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 12:23
2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 10:32
Well……..

This theory seems to be gaining traction.

Have we been played (radio silence)

& are we playing into their hands by all rushing for ALU?

Hmmmm….
Where's the figure come from?
Okay.
average £50 per wk (employer pension contribtions & enployers national insurance)

x2 wks ALU (or 1.5 if you wanna split hairs over service lenght)

equals roughly £100 employer saving per 2wks ALU

now…..
if just 50,000 opg’s rush for 2wks ALU
50,000 x £100 = £5,000,000 (£5m)

that is a conservative estimate
2chorizon
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Post by 2chorizon »

Now,
Much crowing will be made about how “this only applies to 4 wks out of 6”

But….as you have all seem an read

ALU should be limited to blocks of 2 days to ensure take home pay does not drop too low

& thus they will achieve the objective via
stealth.

N.B note that all london and drivers have qualified,why? because they consider them the most important.

We were the low hanging fruit.

I rest my case my learned friend.
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This makes sense. A great way to find the managers’ bonuses.
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Re: Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

Post by Jefferson Starfish »

2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 12:44
N.B note that all london and drivers have qualified,why?
London weighting maybe?
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Jefferson Starfish wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 13:55
2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 12:44
N.B note that all london and drivers have qualified,why?
London weighting maybe?
yes, of course….but as i said……the golden goose of “london” & the drivers were always going to be protected,
the real numbers (and where the £5m saving comes
from) is the 100,000 OPG’s out in the provinces, the “low hanging fruit”

An easy £5 mill

Don’t play the game, let it go.
Don’t take ALU
Force them to bin a whole level of management instead.
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Robin Hood in reverse. That’s why they love the Robin (robbin’) App.
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Post by Jefferson Starfish »

2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 14:01
Jefferson Starfish wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 13:55
2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 12:44
N.B note that all london and drivers have qualified,why?
London weighting maybe?
yes, of course….but as i said……the golden goose of “london” & the drivers were always going to be protected,
the real numbers (and where the £5m saving comes
from) is the 100,000 OPG’s out in the provinces, the “low hanging fruit”
£5 million is the equivalent of £50 per worker per year?
£1 per week off the wages bill for each one!
Not a lot when you consider the amount RM spend in total.
Infact it's peanuts in the general scheme of things. :cuppa
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Post by clashcityrocker »

2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 10:32

This theory seems to be gaining traction.

& are we playing into their hands by all rushing for ALU?

The theory is gaining traction .....where exactly?
How do you know we are all "rushing" for ALU?

I thought ALU wasn't open until April?
If the climate was a bank, they would already have saved it.
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Post by Barnacle »

2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 10:32
Well……..

This theory seems to be gaining traction.

Have we been played (radio silence)

& are we playing into their hands by all rushing for ALU?

Hmmmm….
No. It was a change to HMRC rules on wage deductions and the minimum wage.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

Post by loyalsnail »

Never heard such a load of nonsense in all my days. Proper conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat stuff.

Must be exhausting living life with this level of paranoia.
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Re: Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

Post by TopperGas »

Barnacle wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 17:36
2chorizon wrote:
11 Feb 2026, 10:32
Well……..

This theory seems to be gaining traction.

Have we been played (radio silence)

& are we playing into their hands by all rushing for ALU?

Hmmmm….
No. It was a change to HMRC rules on wage deductions and the minimum wage.
I'm not sure there was any need to impose a 20% buffer, but given how short staffed DO's now seem to be then you can see why RM thought stopping POAL was a good move?
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Re: Was the slaying of POAL a ruse to save £5 million on employer pension contributions & NI via ALU?

Post by Jaggs »

If people take unpaid annual leave they will save about £14 in pension contribution for every full-time day taken.

The NI saving will be negligible as they would have saved that under the old scheme except it would have been spread out over the whole year rather than it being applied in specific weeks per person.

Is the restrictions on the purchase of annual leave a ruse to save on those things? No, it's complying with employment law.