This cwu suggested method has been mentioned numerous times but can anyone actually confirm what it is ?
The only thing I can think of is you alternate between a full duty one day then parcels only for two duties the next and so on but surely that's more or less the Bob,Evie and Ahmed or whatever scenario.
Unless I've missed it all I can see on various threads is talk of doing a full duty and parcels from another plus some lapsing
One in every eight duties is uncovered. We are all singleton duties so can’t say for paired, but you take everything from half the duty and just first class and tracked from other half and then some from the uncovered duty. RM are saying it doesn’t save enough.
One in every eight duties is uncovered. We are all singleton duties so can’t say for paired, but you take everything from half the duty and just first class and tracked from other half and then some from the uncovered duty. RM are saying it doesn’t save enough.
So you're doing 12.5% of another duty instead of everything on one half of your own, I don't think it will save enough for them to settle for that
One in every eight duties is uncovered. We are all singleton duties so can’t say for paired, but you take everything from half the duty and just first class and tracked from other half and then some from the uncovered duty. RM are saying it doesn’t save enough.
So you're doing 12.5% of another duty instead of everything on one half of your own, I don't think it will save enough for them to settle for that
The question is do you have 12.5% to give? Many workers say they don't. Some of the CWU attack dogs in here say they do.
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One in every eight duties is uncovered. We are all singleton duties so can’t say for paired, but you take everything from half the duty and just first class and tracked from other half and then some from the uncovered duty. RM are saying it doesn’t save enough.
So you're doing 12.5% of another duty instead of everything on one half of your own, I don't think it will save enough for them to settle for that
I’m thinking the same, not enough savings as we already know they’re not bothered about quality. Also if your offices duties are already unmanageable it’s not gonna work.
There won’t be a heavy and light, that’s not saving them much. It’ll be 3 on 4, fail, back to the regulators pleading for a further reduction to the uso.
One in every eight duties is uncovered. We are all singleton duties so can’t say for paired, but you take everything from half the duty and just first class and tracked from other half and then some from the uncovered duty. RM are saying it doesn’t save enough.
So you're doing 12.5% of another duty instead of everything on one half of your own, I don't think it will save enough for them to settle for that
The question is do you have 12.5% to give? Many workers say they don't. Some of the CWU attack dogs in here say they do.
Doing 12.5% of another duty is probably in actual fact less work than doing everything on half of your own duty as opposed to only the parcels+ 1c so there's no chance of Royal Mail accepting that as a way forward.
One in every eight duties is uncovered. We are all singleton duties so can’t say for paired, but you take everything from half the duty and just first class and tracked from other half and then some from the uncovered duty. RM are saying it doesn’t save enough.
So you're doing 12.5% of another duty instead of everything on one half of your own, I don't think it will save enough for them to settle for that
I’m thinking the same, not enough savings as we already know they’re not bothered about quality. Also if your offices duties are already unmanageable it’s not gonna work.
So is it actually more/less/about the same daily workload doing that ? I'd have thought it's actually less, I know it saves them 1 in 8 staff but if your duties are silly big unmanageable then it's a non starter anyway.
Daniel is going to play the long game. In 20 years AI will have killed all the jobs anyway. Then he gets 8 Billion quid for the RM land that's undeveloped, or maybe 10-15 developed. The billionaires' paradise is coming!
Everyone talking about savings rather than quality of service is where this all falls down, you can’t have both and Royal Mail call the shots , not the CWU.
People keep saying that the ODM won't work because duties are too big already etc. RM don't care about that. When have they ever fixed any current mess before bringing in anything new? It'll just be a different mess.
They hate the idea (and cost to their profits) that duties are going out (potentially) with 0,1,2 letters for each address 6 days a week when the ODM would make that 1,3,5 letters 5 times a fortnight.
I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!
I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!
The odm and equalisation is linked , it made sense ,both sides wanted something and you’d have thought they would have found some common ground to make a deal possible. If the CWU suddenly separated the 2 issues , you could guarantee the usual suspects on here would be accusing them of throwing new starters under the bus.
I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!
Exactly. There probably isn't much fear from posties about these USO changes.... the current situation at Royal Mail is already an inefficient ugly mess...
1. No day off cover for 3-4 years, so you have to deliver 2 days mail when you come back from your day off, then you can't get done so it rolls over to the next day too.
2. Van sharing has always been inefficient.
3. Duties are too big.
It's not like the Union did anything when Royal Mail deleted X amount of duties from each office and made the remaining rounds much larger. So why bother trying to fight these changes. It's like trying to stop Niagara Falls with a dish cloth.
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I still don’t get why the union are throwing a hissy fit over the ODM. Ok it’s not gunna work but does anything in delivery even work now anyway? It’ll just be a different kind of mess. Making it work is up to RM not the union.
ODM will mean less jobs in delivery but nobody is going to be forced out as we all know RM lose staff every week without having to lift a finger. The union should be trading ODM for full equalisation of new starters and then fully support us in every single delivery office when we leave stuff in every day because it’s impossible. We still have a start and finish time no matter what crap they bring in.
It’s looks like we could be a few weeks away from being balloted for strike action over this and it all seems so pointless as the job is already f****d anyway!
Exactly. There probably isn't much fear from posties about these USO changes.... the current situation at Royal Mail is already an inefficient ugly mess...
1. No day off cover for 3-4 years, so you have to deliver 2 days mail when you come back from your day off then you can't get done so it rolls over to the next day too.
2. Van sharing has always been inefficient.
3. Duties are too big.
It's not like the Union did anything when they deleted X amount of duties from each office and made the remaining rounds much larger. So why bother trying to fight these changes. It's like trying to stop Niagara Falls with a dish cloth.
So are you happy just to ignore equalising contracts which Royal Mail agreed to put right ?
