Royal Mail Managers breaking the law ?

[flyingsam]

Please tell me if a manager puts first class mail aside not to sort,so to give the postman time to go out early and do a couple of lapse duties.is this not wilful delay.Also if a manager does not enforce the meal breaks,is this also braking the law.Are longs and shorts back ?.Can RM change your start and finish times as and when they want ?.even if they know that a lot of people cannot finish later as they have family commitments like picking up children from school.Is this not constructive dismissal ?.
It seams the RM can do what they like,and the CWU are powerless to stop it.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Please tell me if a manager puts first class mail aside not to sort,so to give the postman time to go out early and do a couple of lapse duties.is this not wilful delay.

If there no members of staff in the office willing to do over time to sort and deliver the mail or no other option to get it sorted/delivered then no it would not be wilful delay, if not then it may be classed as wilful delay

Also if a manager does not enforce the meal breaks,is this also braking the law.
Unfortunately no


Are longs and shorts back ?.Can RM change your start and finish times as and when they want ?.
they need to give appropriate notice which i belive is 28 days

even if they know that a lot of people cannot finish later as they have family commitments like picking up children from school.Is this not constructive dismissal ?.

Simply changing start and finishing times would not constitute constructive dismissal there would need to be more to it than that, and if they were changing start times due to arrival time of mail coming off a machine then not constructive dismissal, if you have family commitements ask for family friendly duties and then dom has to consider your request and must come up with a valid business reason if he is going to reject it


It seams the RM can do what they like,and the CWU are powerless to stop it.

[Lincox]

Longs and shorts have never been retracted. They are part of the 2007 pay and modernisation agreement and are meant to align duties with the daily mail traffic flows.

[R@YAL F@IL]

This is a good point, in our office managers shout to sign on, go on sorting, weigh our bags etc etc, but NEVER have they shouted for us to have our breaks

[keithposty]

the process of having your meal relief is built into your working day as required by law

if the staff member decides not to take it then their is not alot RM can do

BUT IF RM SAY YOU CANT TAKE YOUR MEAL RELIEF THEN THATS A DIFFERENT STORY, THAT WOULD BE BREAKING THE LAW

come in on time, do your hours, take your meal relief, go home

SIMPLES

[maisymoo04]

they can do anythink they run the show

[5plusbonusball]

they can do anythink they run the show

Anything but an honest day's work that is!

[Postman Plodd]

[williamsm992]

Please tell me if a manager puts first class mail aside not to sort,so to give the postman time to go out early and do a couple of lapse duties.is this not wilful delay.Also if a manager does not enforce the meal breaks,is this also braking the law.Are longs and shorts back ?.Can RM change your start and finish times as and when they want ?.even if they know that a lot of people cannot finish later as they have family commitments like picking up children from school.Is this not constructive dismissal ?.
It seams the RM can do what they like,and the CWU are powerless to stop it.

are they are breaking the the law by not paying you overtime when you have gone past your finishing time?

[keithposty]

simple answer is YES

section 13 employment rights act and unlawful deduction of wages

why are you not talking to the office rep on this if they are not paying the overtime

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

simple answer is YES

section 13 employment rights act and unlawful deduction of wages

why are you not talking to the office rep on this if they are not paying the overtime

Simple answer is not Yes unfortunately, it will all depend an whether the line manager authorised the overtime, if a postie has too much workload and says nothing and works an hour past his time then tries to claim and is told its not getting paid then he doesnt have a leg to stand on, but on the other hand if postie follows all the correct procedures for informing his manager he cant complete and then manager authorises to pay him overtime and subsequently doesnt then he has a case

[keithposty]

in a sense the comment posted above is correct if the manager goes down the route of splitting hairs on the issue

if the manager fails to pay the overtime then next time tell the manager you may not complete before you go out and cut off

watch his face then when it is him having to go out and complete the delivery for his own obstanance that came back to bite him on the ass

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

in a sense the comment posted above is correct if the manager goes down the route of splitting hairs on the issue

if the manager fails to pay the overtime then next time tell the manager you may not complete before you go out and cut off

watch his face then when it is him having to go out and complete the delivery for his own obstanance that came back to bite him on the ass

another little myth there, managers dont have to go out to complete anyones delivery, they need to only make an attempt to get the mail delivered the best that they can, that does not mean they must do it unfortunately.

[keithposty]

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another little myth there, managers dont have to go out to complete anyones delivery, they need to only make an attempt to get the mail delivered the best that they can, that does not mean they must do it unfortunately.


for my own reference, where does it state that and how does that effect the USO

many thanks

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

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another little myth there, managers dont have to go out to complete anyones delivery, they need to only make an attempt to get the mail delivered the best that they can, that does not mean they must do it unfortunately.


for my own reference, where does it state that and how does that effect the USO

many thanks

it doesnt state anywhere that managers must deliver the mail, they are in the exact same position as us and only need to work their time as well, it is a failure under the USO if said mail is not delivered and must be reported on the daily report

Some people think that its wilful delay if a manager doesnt deliver the mail from cut offs, its not, he only has to make his best attempt to get it covered by paying overtime or lapsing duties etc, if he cant get it covered by anyone and he doesnt have time within his duty then its not wilful delay and there is nothing written anywhere which says he must deliver it,